Jean upscales from 672 Petatons, so she is one-shot by Mob,
I don't think her LS won't be useful, unless Mob's attacks are thought based he will be completely immobilized by Jean's TK, plus she can use it to counter Mob's own TK
That would be 7 layers for Mob while Jean has 8 (Silverfox < Wolverine/Sabertooth < Future Past Charles < Jean w/mental nerf < Apocalypse Charles < Charles w/Cerebro < Apocalypse < Jean), so she can attack or manipulate his mind
Jean doesn't usually use her Sleep Manipulation in this key, actually the only time she used it was unconsciously. She mainly uses her mind hax to directly attack the mind, or to manipulate the perception when she wants to hide but that wouldn't be the case with Mob
Jean's first move against Apocalypse was restraining him with TK, attack his mind and disintegrate him, so Jean is willing to use all of her hax
Jean has IA plus her TK is thought based, higher LS and attack speed with TK (even if speed isn't equalized), so she should be able to somewhat counter his TK attacks. Btw, how does Mob mainly attack? Does he use TK shockwaves, crush with his TK or throw stuff?
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These 7 layers are absolute minimum. It could easily be argued ???% would be an extra layer, due to mental resistance in mob psycho being directly linked to psychic output of an esper. ( on top of stuff such as Dimple having stronger mindhax techniques, adding other above baseline espers in the hierarchy, etc.)
Like said above disintegration will be the only one to work here. ( with mind hax potentially opening her to a worse counterattack )
Her higher LS means mob cannot do stuff like Ragdoll or force movement, but can still perfectly damage her even through a forcefield. Something like crushing, breaking bones or just attacking with TK without ragdolling would work as normal. ( and using her LS to fight against his movement would lead to her flesh getting ripped due to resistance.) Fair on the higher attack speed.
According to what I understood from this comment of Qawsedf, having higher LS can counter a TK with higher AP but lower LS
Jean has the same layers of resistance than her mind hax, plus she also has her own defense system via Pain Manipulation if someone tries to enter her mind. Although Jean mainly uses her mind hax to attack the mind instead of manipulating it
That would be Jean's main attack, along with LS and mind hax at the same time
I disagree since that would mean that in theory a 9-A character with class 25 LS TK could no sell TK from a 3-A character with unknown LS. Not to mention there's not much to target when by the time you feel a TK attack it's already hit you.
In this case Mob is taking her mind hax, amplifying it and then sending it back, meaning it can bypass one extra layer. (When ???% can already easily be argued to resist since more power: more mental resist in mob psycho).
In that case either Mob redirects her mind manip and both get K.Oed leading to an incon or we assume he resists and he just gets killed by an attack he can't resist due to speed equal making her attack speed ultra blitzworthy.
Mob can do that even when his mind hax and resistance is lower than the other?
On Mob, trying to affect Jean's mind inflicts pain to the mind of who does it
So are you going to vote?
Yes, that's why it only kicks in when his resistance is breached (besides it's only 1 layer at worst)
I don't think it will really matter here since both will have their minds fried simultaneously ( not to mention it will be amplified and broadcasted back too )
Yeah. If we go by him being unable to resist then incon. If we assume he resists then either Jean wins or blitzstomps in speed equal.
Jean's base key is being used, not her HotPF key. Base Jean has Hypersonic combat speed and MHS+ attack speed (which is higher than Mob's MHS+ speed). HotPF Jean I think would be a stomp since she only spams Deconstruction
Jean with her mind hax directly attacks the mind, she destroyed Apocalypse's astral form along with the astral plane
Her Deconstruction took time due to Apocalypse's instant regeneration which was able to briefly counter it but was eventually disintegrated, otherwise it is pretty instant
???% can regenerate from that with ease. Not to mention she's far weaker than beings that have tried attacking his astral self and ripped his 100% self apart.
Does she use it anytime else? Not like it matters here though. ???% would open with a large scale blast or telekinetic force which oneshots while she might start with a mental attack he can heal from.
No, because her battle with Apocalypse was literally the only real fight she had in the entire movie. Although in her HotPF key she also spams deconstruction all the time so it's a common attack for her
Jean starts with TK restraining, mind hax and deconstruction, all at the same time
Deconstruction, and I think Jean has the same layers or one more than Mob
Well, in that case Jean has higher attack speed than Mob, even if the speed is unequalized
How? Both think to attack.
No? Both use thought based attacks
