Strongest Buu Saga Characters ("Can't be higher than 4-B")

[VenomElite]

We currently have a note stating:

It should also be noted that the difference between the lowest and highest bounds of Solar System level is roughly a trillion times, making it incredibly inconsistent for even the strongest Buu Saga characters to be listed as anything more than 4-B.

We still accept this? We have characters in Super literally infinite times stronger than others and I'm not talking about Zen'O or Grand Priest either. I don't see the problem with the strongest Buu Saga characters being 4-A using the same logic we do for Super that prevents us from downplaying Low 2-Cs as mere 3-As. Maybe it's just the difference of tiering or a difference in the scale of power presented in each series?

Basically a Low 2-C like Jiren stomping a 3-A like SSBKKx20 Goku (pre-Ultra Instinct Omen) should be no different than a possibly 4-A like Buuhan stomping two 4-Bs like SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta.

Note: Just a discussion so I am caught up with this. I am NOT pushing for a content revision. I am sure there's a good reason, which is why this is in General Discussions.

 

[TurboTriangle601]

I'm no staff but it's because there's nothing to back it up unlike Infinite Zamasu, Beerus being very shocked by Jiren unlike Infinite Zamasu and Jiren's statement of "transcending time."

 

[VenomElite]

Buuhan >>>>>> Super Perfect Cell to a degree that Cell is literally fodder.

Buu has had statements of "the highest energy we've sensed yet" and so forth too just like Jiren. Obviously Zamasu is literally Low 2-C so Jiren scales but the strongest Buu STILL being 4-B? Even when manga-wise Vegito needed to be SSJ just to deal with him? We're talking a ridiculous multiplication of power here.

 

[The_Everlasting]

It's saying we can't make them 4-A just for being "far stronger than 4-Bs, which is true, it's completely unprovable for Buuhan to be a trillion times stronger than Cell.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Also, the difference is that Jiren actually has feats that put him on that level. The Buu Saga has nothing.

 

[VenomElite]

He technically does. Just not "canon" :/

I will say, the anime is preferable to me. Rip 3-C Buu ;_;

 

[The_Everlasting]

>Canon in quotation marks

Boi, what.

 

[VenomElite]

Canoncity can always change with writers nowadays.

>Canon Bleach light novels are literally ignored.

Just my feelings about "canon" in general.

 

[The_Everlasting]

">Canon Bleach light novels are literally ignored."

Uh, no?

 

[VenomElite]

No? Really? Wot?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

We commonly rate beings who are above 2-A in an unquantifiable manner as "At least 2-A" Yet "At least 4-B" for people who fodderize 4-Bs is too much?

 

[Sera_EX]

Numbers don't really matter. Jiren scales to Infinite Zamasu whereas Buuhan, as ridiculously beyond Cell as he is, isn't a tier above him. Yes, I know that's iffy as in DB normally characters that no sell attacks from others are a tier higher, but normally it's

> Planet level vs Large Planet level

>Large Planet level vs Dwarf Star level

>Star level vs Solar System level

The gap between 4-A and 4-B is larger than the gap between those aforementioned tiers. There's no "High 4-B" or "High Solar System level".

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

There's 4-B+.

But you usually need an actual calc or strong proof of that.

 

[VenomElite]

We commonly rate beings who are above 2-A in an unquantifiable manner as "At least 2-A" Yet "At least 4-B" for people who fodderize 4-Bs is too much?

Yeah, "At least 4-B" isn't much of a stretch. Ignoring numbers, Buuhan literally would no sell everything from Super Perfect Cell. How is that JUST 4-B if you need to be 4-B to hurt another 4-B? These powers weren'y calc'd AFIAK. It's based on statements and powerscaling.

@Sera

4-C vs. 4-B is literally a "whole" tier apart.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

If people like Zero, Cloud, or Sailor Moon (KiloFoe, MegaFoe, and TeraFoe respectively) don't get an at least, Buuhan shouldn't. At all.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yeah, "At least 4-B" isn't much of a stretch. Ignoring numbers, Buuhan literally would no sell everything from Super Perfect Cell. How is that JUST 4-B if you need to be 4-B to hurt another 4-B? These powers weren'y calc'd AFIAK. It's based on statements and powerscaling.

I think the main reason is that Cell at his strongest is the minimum required for 4-B, meaning we'd need to rate every 4-B with a halfway impressive calc who can also make fodder of other 4-Bs as "At least 4-B".

 

[Sera_EX]

Sorry, you can't compare Tier 2 to Tier 4 as Tier 4 is quantifiable via energy whereas with Tier 2 you gotta use statements and being "far beyond" as evidence for being "At least".

 

[TheRustyOne]

A Baseline 4-B is trillions of times weaker then a baseline 4-A.

You only need to be at least 10 times stronger then someone to one shot.

A 4-B can one shot and make another 4-B look like fodder.

 

[VenomElite]

If Cell is baseline 4-B then yeah I completely can accept that. I had no idea it was calc'd though.

 

[Sera_EX]

I'd find it for you love, but I can't find for some reason. It may be a blog a calc member did.

Also, "then". Not "than".

 

[The_Everlasting]

It's not a calc, it's that it's literally just "I'll destroy the solar system". That's the definition of baseline.

 

[VenomElite]

Grammar Nazi >.>

 

[Sera_EX]

Grammar Nazi >.>

No incorrect grammar

 

[VenomElite]

@Evah

That works too.

@Sewa

Yes ma'am.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I want a cute nickname too ;_;

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I want a cute nickname too ;_;

"Teh reaw caw howawd"

 

[Sera_EX]

How about...

Callie?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

How about...

Callie?

• Has flashbacks to middle school

I'm happy with the nickname ovo. Along with Azzy's.

 

[VenomElite]

That's a girl's name tho...

Anyway, back on topic.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

For lolz

"Really". ovo

 

[Sera_EX]

Topic is concluded, Venny.

 

[VenomElite]

Lol. Fair enough. Let's pick this up...elsewhere.

 

[VenomElite]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1365901

And with that, this can be closed now. (To be continued). ovo