Strongest Low 1-C Characters on the Wiki

[AlipheeseXIV]

Ngl that title of 6d abilities should be removed since metaphysical shit no longer has dimensionality and dimensional manipulation should be highlighted to be 6d or seperated from that bunch of haxs

Yeah, I plan to fix that up I'm in the process of revising their profiles and dropping a CRT for it actually. Though I'm pretty sure those hax would still be 6D since it doesn't come from pure metaphysical hax, rather what she is shown affecting.

Anyway her dimensional manipulation is 6d so i don't think she can qualify here unless she doesn't use it offensively or defensively.

Ig Luna is fine then?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

hmm honkai is getting downgraded to Low 1-C

We can add em after it passes lol

 

[Killerdrone123]

Ig Luna is fine then?

If she doesn't have anything 6d then yes

 

[EddisherSound]

hmm honkai is getting downgraded to Low 1-C

Finally, another verse for the Ultras to fight

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

hmm honkai is getting downgraded to Low 1-C

Or maybe not

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Or maybe not

11-D range isn't smurf if the dimensions aren't tierable lol

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

11-D range isn't smurf if the dimensions aren't tierable lol

I was just told range isn't effected by the significance of dimensions, how does that work exactly then? Does it just become semi inaccessible to characters who only have like 9 or 10D or below range? Sounds weird

 

[Vietthai96]

11-D range isn't smurf if the dimensions aren't tierable lol

Isn't extradimensional range still count as smurf range?, it is also affect HDE too

Anyway, should i move this thread to general discussion, there is a strongest 4D thread in general discussion as well

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Isn't extradimensional range still count as smurf range?, it is also affect HDE too

Anyway, should i move this thread to general discussion, there is a strongest 4D thread in general discussion as well

No. Smurf isn't simply higher dimensions. It's specificaly tiering applicable higher dimensions. The type that gets you higher infinities.

 

[Vietthai96]

I was just told range isn't effected by the significance of dimensions, how does that work exactly then? Does it just become semi inaccessible to characters who only have like 9 or 10D or below range? Sounds weird

Yeah, kinda

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Hm, then ig they won't be able to be included here. Especially when a lot of them use BFR and stuff

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Non-significant higher dimensions arent smurf whats so hard to understand

Just because the dimensions are usually inaccessible doesn't make it smurf either. That's like saying acausality type 5 is smurf because it's usually inaccessible even to significantly higher-D people

 

[Shar122]

MGQ is correct, otherwise affecting the boundary that seperates multiple space-time continuums would grant you 5D smurf (which isn't the case in the wiki) due to orthogonality and higher freedom axis. But it's not enough, because we should include volume as well, not just that.
Applying this logic to other dimensions who are insignificant, compactified etc. It won't grant you smurf stuff.

 

[Vietthai96]

MGQ is correct, otherwise affecting the boundary that seperates multiple space-time continuums would grant you 5D smurf (which isn't the case in the wiki) due to orthogonality and higher freedom axis. But it's not enough, because we should include volume as well, not just that.
Applying this logic to other dimensions who are insignificant, compactified etc. It won't grant you smurf stuff.

??????

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Non-significant higher dimensions arent smurf whats so hard to understand

Yeah but my question is what exactly differentiates it, if it isn't smurf sure, but it's also clearly not 5D, otherwise it would be just be listed as 5D, Viet answered with "kinda" I don't believe he was directly saying that they are smurfs just that they function as a form of inaccessibility to characters without equal range. Which kinda goes back to my original question about whether they should, or should not be allowed

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Like how would a character on here portal out of an extra dimension even if it's not of significant size?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Yeah but my question is what exactly differentiates it, if it isn't smurf sure, but it's also clearly not 5D, otherwise it would be just be listed as 5D, Viet answered with "kinda" I don't believe he was directly saying that they are smurfs just that they function as a form of inaccessibility to characters without equal range. Which kinda goes back to my original question about whether they should, or should not be allowed

They should be allowed because this inaccessibility isn't involving being infinitely larger, but just occupying another axis they cant access. This has nothing to do with higher tiers or smurf.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Alr, should be fine then once grace hits

 

[Vietthai96]

am i allowed to create a tier 1 general discussion thread? we just discuss tier

Tier 1 general discussion about what topic exactly?

 

[Vietthai96]

like anything related to tier 1

Hmm, talking about tiering system? as long as it is discussion, then it is fine

 

[Shar122]

??????

My point is that compatified, unknown sized dimensions etc. doesn't qualify for smurfs, but only a specific requirement would qualify.
It's just an example.

bro js typing shi

 

[Vietthai96]

My point is that compatified, unknown sized dimensions etc. doesn't qualify for smurfs, but only a specific requirement would qualify.
It's just an example.

MGQ is correct, otherwise affecting the boundary that seperates multiple space-time continuums would grant you 5D smurf (which isn't the case in the wiki) due to orthogonality and higher freedom axis. But it's not enough, because we should include volume as well, not just that.
Applying this logic to other dimensions who are insignificant, compactified etc. It won't grant you smurf stuff.

1. Space that separate and contain space-time continuums is 5D, smurf or not

2. Insignificant, unknown size dimensions still have volume, just not large enough to get tiered

 

[Shar122]

1. Space that separate and contain space-time continuums is 5D, smurf or not

2. Insignificant, unknown size dimensions still have volume, just not large enough to get tiered

1. Never denied this part, that's why I said they have unknown size as a higher dimensional axis. Yeah, Still not smurf.

2. What I mean that by "let's consider the volume" is that they should be significant to be considered tierable, also
they have volume yes, but still the volume should be significant to be considered tierable no?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Why are these two characters listed as having BDE type 2 despite being only L1C?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Some of these pages don't even got scans or justifications bro, but well ig since this is joke battles it's not that big of a deal here

 

[Robo432343]

Nuke tier 1

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Nuke tier 1

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

So I recall the topic of metaphysical hax not being dimensioned anymore or whatever, but what exactly is the logic behind that? I really fail to understand how this can be the end all be all for all metaphysical hax on the wiki when some verses explicitly have metaphysical hax that are superior in higher dimensions. And no, not just because of the increased range.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I'm really just stalling until I finish my PGR revisions so I can get them above Sora

 

[Deonment]

So I recall the topic of metaphysical hax not being dimensioned anymore or whatever, but what exactly is the logic behind that? I really fail to understand how this can be the end all be all for all metaphysical hax on the wiki when some verses explicitly have metaphysical hax that are superior in higher dimensions. And no, not just because of the increased range.

To tldr;
Typical metaphysical things do not have physical quantities such as size, mass, etc
A soul typically does not have a size, a mind typically does not have a location, so on and so forth
For the more fundamental things, a concept doesn't really care how big something is, just if you are what it governs (ie even if you are 8D sized, you can still die, ergo the concept of death still applies to it), it just comes down to if the person trying to apply the concept to you has enough range to "find" the other (ie someone can have universal range hax that applies the concept of time to uncreate someone, if a 6D being were to just stay out of "range" of their ability to apply it, then they're fine, if they overlap with the range of the person however, they can get haxed and thus uncreated without relevant resistances)

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

it just comes down to if the person trying to apply the concept to you has enough range to "find" the other (ie someone can have universal range hax that applies the concept of time to uncreate someone, if a 6D being were to just stay out of "range" of their ability to apply it, then they're fine, if they overlap with the range of the person however, they can get haxed and thus uncreated without relevant resistances)

And what if, said 6D character in this example chooses to willingly enter the range of the time hax, yet still isn't affected by it and it's due to their existence as a 6D being?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Ig at that point, one can just argue it's resistance to the power in question, or acausality or smth. However, assuming none of these were the case, then how exactly would we treat such a thing?

 

[Deonment]

And what if, said 6D character in this example chooses to willingly enter the range of the time hax, yet still isn't affected by it and it's due to their existence as a 6D being?

A)Resistance B)The fundamental is thus dimensioned and to tldr; some stuff Range unless the character in question can focus the AoE of the hax (and it's proven that them doing so makes it more potent), in which case it bypasses the resistance of anyone with "3D" resistance to such a thing
Still would qualify as smurf, even without it, just wouldn't be more potent, and anybody on the higher dimension could very well be argued to have more potent versions of the concepts (6D and more potent Concept hax even without the focusing stuff, but that's a thing im not certain about since that wasn't exactly thought about when the smurf thread was originally made)

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Still would qualify as smurf, even without it, just wouldn't be more potent, and anybody on the higher dimension could very well be argued to have more potent versions of the concepts (6D and more potent Concept hax even without the focusing stuff, but that's a thing im not certain about since that wasn't exactly thought about when the smurf thread was originally made)

Yeah that's kind of what I was getting at mostly, it's something I feel that should've been brought up in the smurf thread. So basically, the default assumption is that metaphysical hax aren't dimensioned but a verse can say otherwise through proof then?

 

[Deonment]

Yeah that's kind of what I was getting at mostly, it's something I feel that should've been brought up in the smurf thread. So basically, the default assumption is that metaphysical hax aren't dimensioned but a verse can say otherwise through proof then?

By the smurf thread I meant the thread where smurf hax got more codified, but yeah

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

By the smurf thread I meant the thread where smurf hax got more codified, but yeah

Good to know, would you be able to send the source for that when you get a chance?

 

[Deonment]

Good to know, would you be able to send the source for that when you get a chance?

Here

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Thanks, though I wonder how applicable this is by today's standards

 

[Vietthai96]

IX (Honkai: Star Rail)

IX is the Aeon that presides over the Path of Nihility. THEIR existence is a mystery. IX doesn't interact with the other Aeons. THEY believe that the ultimate fate of the multiverse is nothingness, and therefore, worthless. Tier: Low 1-C Name: IX Titles: Aeon of Nihility, IX the Nihility, The...

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