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As far as I know it is the energy that has non-duality and not the characters.
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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki
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I asked shaking about it and he said they had immunity to what the dreams duality stuff had
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well that didnt last long
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99% chance that Spawn gets stomped by plot and Subjective reality but...Eh...
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Spawn vs Furry (battle for the 11th strongest 5-D..And no smurf)
fu*ry Spawn Round 1: Speed equalized Round 2:Speed NOT equalized Both have 10 seconds of prep time
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They would go down alotwhat happens if DBH loses their concept and info stuff
DBH abilities: Electric Boogaloo
Yeah so I looked at the Time Power and Special Ki pages for DBH and there's yet again more questionable stuff I see, so lets get to it. Concept Hax: So ignoring how more than half of this paragraph long explanation feels like nothing burgers as it just repeats stuff unrelated to Conceptual hax...
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Yeah, and maybe along with Kratos and Sora
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PS Sora, Sonic, Kratos and Instant Death should probably share a tier, as Instant death cant really do anything back to them
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You two thought you cooked? Well, you clearly underestimated CC Goku.
(Mind ya we were kinda already assuming the downgrades had gone through)
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I still need the ND stuff answered
and I probably would need to ask questions about abstract invulnerability stuff
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Sonic is physical, his invulnerability changes little.I still need the ND stuff answered
You'd have to argue Sonic himself to be nondual in order for your argument to work.
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His energy is ND, thus his invulnerability is also ND, way I see it you’d need to have bypassed ND invulnerability to get past his invulnerability, also since speed is always equal according to the rules for this list, even if Sonic isn't 5D temporal immeasurable speed when speed isn't equalized, since it is Sonic could dodge
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No,only the energy is Nondual. Sonic's body becomes physically invulnerable,but that only extends to physical attack. Hax is covered by resistances,in case.
"ND invulnerability" isn't a thing, unless,again you think Sonic himself is also NonDual.
And no, the UT aura covers such a vast area, it's literally impossible for him to dodge under SBA.
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His body is empowered by a ND energy source, thus his Invulnerability is ND
For what I've been told the ND energy gives him a resistance to stuff like the UT Aura
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Tbh I could see it, kinda like Kratos’s conceptual invulnerability. If you argue his aura is what makes him invulnerable that is.
It’s comparable to stands blocking physical attacks in JoJo.
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Sorry to burst your bubble,but no. Being empowered by an abstract source =! Being abstract yourself. It never worked like that.
Abstractness doesn't correlate to potency. Sonic has no potency layers as of now,only abstract ones.
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Ong, man pulled a “sorry to burst your bubble”. No way!
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Kratos' invulnerability seems way different. But maybe it's just me.
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ND gives immunity to stuff that doesnt have the same level logical states
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Stfu, grown ups are talking
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Yeah, too bad Sonic himself isn't ND.
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Tell him
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Aura < — Sonic —> aura
Get around the aura and you’re golden. If you can’t you’re screwed
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Correct
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You were told wrong then.
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Wouldn’t that be partially me?
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I mean why wouldn't it according to his reason, cause I got no other reason to think otherwise
Also Dimensional Domain wont work cause ND energy
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Chaos Energy is Nondual,and thus immune.
The characters themselves aren't Nondual. However,they just resist abilities that work on that level. That's what Shake meant.
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Pretty sure Shake was explicitly taking it less far than I am
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As always.
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@Greenshifter I just thought of something. how do we treat time hax?
It's true Chaos Energy is ND. However,due to the 2nd temporal dimension, DBH's time hax technically goes beyond the scope of what Chaos Energy transcends. Aren't we stuck in a limbo?
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5D hax > 4D ND? Seems to be the logical conclusion of our previous discussion no? Or was ND an exception?
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One more word out of you and I swear…
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Sonic's cosmology is 4 spatial dimensions +1 temporal
DBH's is 3 spatial + 2 temporal.
Dimensionality isn't what matters here.
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Aren't there also 4D temporal realms in Sonic aswell
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I think what you’re trying to argue depends on the time ability in question. Most notably time stop still working.
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Yeah, I guess. What's your opinion on it,under VBW standards?
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