Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki

[LazerDim8000]

Eru has always been the author of the narrative
why tf would he need to activate plot manip if he's already the author of the plot??

But nothing suggests it’s passive. At best he can take Ebf5 Devourer’s spot. Cus he’s definitely not doing shit to shiva

 

[LazerDim8000]

Powers and Resistances of the Ainur

The Ainur are the primordial angelic spirits made by Eru Ilúvatar in Tolkien's Legendarium. The first creations ever produced by their God, the Ainur are the "Holy Ones" that existed before "aught else" as the offspring of Ilúvatar's thought. They would be the ones to sing the "Music of the...

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Most if not all characters on the list laugh off this abilities or are acausals.

 

[Robo432343]

Most if not all characters on the list laugh off this abilities or are acausals.

No? a lot of characters on the list don't have resistance to CM 1

 

[Tyranno223]

Most if not all characters on the list laugh off this abilities or are acausals.

Definetly not Doom Guy at least.

Law Manipulation is there to screw with those who don't resist it.

Fate Manip works on those with Acausality (Type 2).

Plor Manip on Acausality (Type 2 and 4).

Soul Manip can ruin or destroy souls without resistance (and even those with resistance can be damaged).

Concept Manip for Low 1-C can be used to destroy or alter concepts.

Empathic Manipulation removes your free-will if you don't resist it and is passive + not even an attack but natural awe.

The Music attacks with Fate Manip, CM, Subjective Reality, and Void Manip at the same time.

But with how unfinished profiles are, still iffy on them being rated on this kind of list or even used in Vs match ups yet.

 

[LazerDim8000]

Definetly not Doom Guy at least.

Fate Manip works on those with Acausality (Type 2).

Plor Manip on Acausality (Type 2 and 4).

Soul Manip can ruin or destroy souls without resistance (and even those with resistance can be damaged).

Concept Manip for Low 1-C can be used to destroy or alter concepts.

Empathic Manipulation removes your free-will if you don't resist it and is passive + not even an attack but natural awe.

The Music attacks with Fate Manip, CM, Subjective Reality, and Void Manip at the same time.

But with how unfinished profiles are, still iffy on them being rated on this kind of list or even used in Vs match ups yet.

There’s a lot of type 4 acausals who automatically gain resistance to causality and fate manipulation and there’s characters who have passives and resist empathetic manipulation through having supernatural willpower or emotion related resistances.

Robbo why is knives millions below bayonetta with all his passives that she doesn’t resist ?

 

[Ikelaggan]

But nothing suggests it’s passive. At best he can take Ebf5 Devourer’s spot. Cus he’s definitely not doing shit to shiva

Yet, yako and bugs who don't even have NPI towards anything TD, NEP or Abstract are two tiers above Shiva.

 

[LazerDim8000]

Yet, yako and bugs who don't even have NPI towards anything TD, NEP or Abstract are two tiers above Shiva.

That’s on robbo

 

[Tyranno223]

There’s a lot of type 4 acausals who automatically gain resistance to causality and fate manipulation and there’s characters who have passives and resist empathetic manipulation through having supernatural willpower or emotion related resistances.

Robbo why is knives millions below bayonetta with all his passives that she doesn’t resist ?

Yes, but it that doesn't stop CM (Type 1) or literally being unable to move or think independently outside Eru's will the second you look upon him due to Empathic Manipulation (for most of them). Plot Manip and Law Manip there too.

Giving a cursory over the list, it doesn't seem like Eru has trouble till DBH.

Lot of characters seem to lack appropriate resistances.

 

[LazerDim8000]

Yes, but it that doesn't stop CM (Type 1) or literally being unable to move or think independently outside Eru's will the second you look upon him due to Empathic Manipulation (for most of them). Plot Manip and Law Manip there too.

Giving a cursory over the list, it doesn't seem like Eru has trouble till DBH.

Lot of characters seem to lack appropriate resistances.

I don’t think the list is even set right but Lol no. He’s not doing anything to sora, omega setoki, krishna, shiva or digimons.

 

[Ikelaggan]

That’s on robbo

That's definite robo L since the Devourer is pretty much the only rare plot manipulator with actual feats of effecting cm1 abstracts

 

[Robo432343]

That's definite robo L since the Devourer is pretty much the only rare plot manipulator with actual feats of effecting cm1 abstracts

u should've told me that before

 

[Brogeefrong]

can we just restart the list and actually make matches for the rankings instead of just plopping them in

 

[Ikelaggan]

u should've told me that before

Well that before metaphysical aspects actually mattered for feats

 

[LazerDim8000]

can we just restart the list and actually make matches for the rankings instead of just plopping them in

Right. There’s characters who aren’t even low 1c physically. Krishna is a type 5 acausal and he’s all the way at the bottom

 

[Tyranno223]

I don’t think the list is even set right but Lol no. He’s not doing anything to sora, omega setoki, krishna, shiva or digimons.

Touche.

Sora I didn't notice High-godly since it's under immortality.

Krishna, Shiva, Omega seem he stalemates if anything.

Digimons look unfinished as well, but I don't see anything on profile for why they'd he a problem. EE wouldn't work unless it's layered for instance.

 

[Robo432343]

Right. There’s characters who aren’t even low 1c physically. Krishna is a type 5 acausal and he’s all the way at the bottom

krishna has acausality type 5 but aside from that he is kinda haxless compared to the top guys on the list

 

[Tyranno223]

krishna has acausality type 5 but aside from that he is kinda haxless compared to the top guys on the list

Kinda just an awkward stonewall.

 

[Robo432343]

the reason why shiva, krishna etc are so down the list is because they straight up just incon against everyone and not win unlike blazblue
blazblue characters defeat/incon almost everyone here and would have 0 losses

 

[Brogeefrong]

the reason why shiva, krishna etc are so down the list is because they straight up just incon against everyone and not win unlike blazblue
blazblue characters defeat/incon almost everyone here and would have 0 losses

Wouldnt that also apply to the instant death characters

 

[Robo432343]

Wouldnt that also apply to the instant death characters

instant death characters are way more haxed than shiva, krishna and can actually win and not make everything inconclusive

but they should probably be below kratos now that i think about it

 

[Tyranno223]

How many Low 1-C's get their tier by R>F?

We might end up seeing this list get cut in half or something when the new system gets implemented.

 

[Ikelaggan]

How many Low 1-C's get their tier by R>F?

We might end up seeing this list get cut in half or something when the new system gets implemented.

I'll probably be the first to admit the Devourer is definitely one of them.

 

[Robo432343]

How many Low 1-C's get their tier by R>F?

i can think of devourer, shiva and krishna

 

[LazerDim8000]

krishna has acausality type 5 but aside from that he is kinda haxless compared to the top guys on the list

They can have infinite layers of hax but as long as they can’t affect type 5 acausals it’s practically useless

 

[Tyranno223]

They can have infinite layers of hax but as long as they can’t affect type 5 acausals it’s practically useless

Yeah, hence stalemate for a lot of them.

 

[Tyranno223]

I'll probably be the first to admit the Devourer is definitely one of them.

Ooh. You think they're gonna qualify?

 

[LazerDim8000]

Yeah, hence stalemate for a lot of them.

Type 5 acausals don’t stalemate. They straight up can’t be interacted with at all.

 

[LazerDim8000]

yeah thats why its inconclusive
but that doesn't mean krishna should share number 1 spot with blazblue characters, thats just silly

You can’t stalemate type 5 acausals

 

[Tyranno223]

you just explained why its stalemate... its the fact that they cant be interacted with at all

Yes. Hence stalemate, aka inconclusive, aka they cannot interact for a meaningful result, aka there is no winner, aka stalemate.

 

[LazerDim8000]

you just explained why its stalemate... its the fact that they cant be interacted with at all

How is it stalemate when it’s not even a fight lol. Stalemating is when both parties have hax that can affect each other

 

[LazerDim8000]

Yes. Hence stalemate, aka inconclusive, aka they cannot interact for a meaningful result, aka there is no winner, aka stalemate.

He can use his hax on them, but they literally can’t do nada to him. How are you not getting that

 

[Tyranno223]

He can use his hax on them, but they literally can’t do nada to him. How are you not getting that

Because his hax can do nada to them. Thus stalemate.

 

[LazerDim8000]

Because his hax can do nada to them. Thus stalemate.

Oh I forgot his haxes aren’t impressive or layered. Regardless they still can’t interact with him hence no stalemating

 

[Brogeefrong]

How is it stalemate when it’s not even a fight lol. Stalemating is when both parties have hax that can affect each other

Isnt a stalemate's defintion where opponents cant progress in a battle
for some reason we consider incon to be a tie/stalemate when they are both different in how they would go

 

[Tyranno223]

Oh I forgot his haxes aren’t impressive or layered. Regardless they still can’t interact with him hence no stalemating

Mate, he can't do jack to them they can't do jack to him. The scale of inability does not change the presence of inability, it is thus a stalemate.

 

[LazerDim8000]

lol? he cant do anything to high godly regen, NEP 2, extremely layered resistances

There’s a reason why puella characters instead of final fantasy characters are 2nd on non-Smurf list.

 

[LazerDim8000]

Mate, he can't do jack to them they can't do jack to him. The scale of inability does not change the presence of inability, it is thus a stalemate.

because puella characters actually have decent hax that can win against FF characters..either that or 2-A list is old

What a joke, good one.

 

[Robo432343]

lets just say its incon instead of stalemate coz someone doesn't like that word
"Inconclusive matches, in which the opposing parties are incapable of defeating each other"
this would be krishna vs blazblue

 

[Tyranno223]

A stalemate by definition is a draw. Regardless, most of hus match ups are inconclusive.

 

[Planck69]

If they can do nothing but not die they don't get a spot. This isn't rocket science, we do this for normal Top 5 too. The Type 5 Acausality dudes without hax being at the bottom makes sense (heck, they probably shouldn't even be here).