steven vs doom slayer

[Oliver_de_jesus]

well doom slayer is 7A + and he has good things to face Steven why not?

Future steven and DS Eternal, speed = and sba.

doomguy knows that steven is a threat to the earth but only that and he has all his weapons including his crucible.

the destroyer of mykars:

the son of traitor:

incon:

can i switch to stevonie if it's a stomp.


The only thing they fear - is him. We watched as the horde overwhelmed the very best and the most advanced machinery and weapons technology that we could muster against opposition. It was useless, they moved too quickly, they cared not for themselves, only sought out the blood of humanity. They were willing to sacrifice their own to get to the heart of our world. We slaughtered thousands and millions more followed. But then - he came he cut through them like a sickle through a field - his fury surpassing their own. He is faster - more relentless. I believe him now to be more than just a man - he is... DOOM


ÔÖ½ Here we are in the future. Here we are in the future and it's bright... Nothing toÔÇàfear. NoÔÇàone to fight. IÔÇàcan't believe we've come so far. HappilyÔÇàever after here we are! ÔÖ½

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

early bump

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

bump

 

[Jangles211]

Cringe match.


In my dream Doomguy rips this twink a new asshole.

The crucible likely slices him in half (sheer heat)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

When has the Crucible ever been stated to be excessively hot?

 

[Jangles211]

By being argent plasma, which even at a low level is far superior to the sun. It's literally a roided out lightsaber.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Scans?

 

[Jangles211]

"However, deeper analysis of the substance showed it to be an entirely new form of matter with a quantum signature never before recorded. Initial tests on this new matter immediately showed its potential. When a 2 megakelvin cutting laser was fired at the substance, it absorbed the heat with ease and remained self-contained. A second expedition was planned to further analyze this remarkable new "Argent plasma" ^casually absorbs 2 megakelvin temps.


"This produces an exothermic reaction where recorded temperatures within the plasma have exceeded previously accepted theoretical limits."

 

[WeeklyBattles]

First quote is a feat of heat absorption not generating heat

The second, while indeed being a feat of being more stable than plasma at higher temperatures, doesnt really give a solid temperature

 

[Jangles211]

That's because the plasma wasn't activated.


It does tho, look up the theoretical limits of heat.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its not talking about the theoretical limits of heat in general its talking about the theoretical limit of heat at which matter can be stable

 

[Jangles211]

Uhh, no. "Recorded temperatures within the plasma have exceeded previously accepted theoretical limits" what about this refers to stability exactly?

The only thing to do with stability is mentioned afterwards when the text states it somehow is stable throughout the reaction process, it's an after thought at best.


Also when you rupture an argent accumulator, it just so happens to tear open spacetime, which is also indicative of it being at planck heats.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Doom bump

 

[Spinoirr]

Steven sure as hell isn't going to make him run out of juice all right

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

It's also states within the lore that it will instantly cauterize the wound inflicted by it.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Bump

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Can the crucible cut High 6-A shields? Because if not, than it's not really helpful here.

 

[RicardoSama]

Yeah I agree with the wright way

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

unmaker null shields.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Unmaker only works against demons

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

shit but i'm sure the unmaker works with the mkayrs, well the plasma cannon can override the shields and the doom hunter doesn't have a shield on top of which is easily fired by the crucible.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Plasma Cannon only does that due to how Argent Energy works, Steven' shield isnt energy based

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Plus the Plasma Gun doesnt work on shields of guys like the Arch-Vile or MArauder

 

[RicardoSama]

So quickly summarize - who is likely to win, and what are the win cons and Hax resists of both please

 

[Keeweed]

The Doomslayer has much better stamina, experience, and movability because Steven's full body shield restricts his movement and the Slayer has dealt with other forcefields before. I also don't see it being in Steven's character to stay covered in his shield for the entire fight since he's gone for punches and similar attacks multiple times throughout the series. I'm leaning to the Doomslayer, but the high 6-A shield is going to be a pain.

 

[RicardoSama]

Because of that shield, It may be incon I believe and I do strongly agree with what you stated - unless proved wrong

 

[WeeklyBattles]

>Steven's full body shield restricts his movement

Since when? He literally has techniques that revolve around using his bubble and shield as an enhanced blunt force attack

>the Slayer has dealt with other forcefields before

Neither of which will help him here as he cant overload steven's bubble with his plasma gun or attack around it

>I also don't see it being in Steven's character to stay covered in his shield for the entire fight since he's gone for punches and similar attacks multiple times throughout the series.

The only time Steven has gone for CQC without a shield was in his High 6-A pink state

 

[RicardoSama]

So is it incon?

 

[The_Wright_Way]

The Doomslayer has much better stamina, experience, and movability because Steven's full body shield restricts his movement and the Slayer has dealt with other forcefields before. I also don't see it being in Steven's character to stay covered in his shield for the entire fight since he's gone for punches and similar attacks multiple times throughout the series. I'm leaning to the Doomslayer, but the high 6-A shield is going to be a pain.

His full body shield isn't his only High 6-A one.


Steven can more than handle Doomguy's experience and stamina, as he's fought people who have at least comparable to far superior amounts of both.

And, no, Doomguy does not have that much better movability than Steven. Both have comparable levels of pseudo flight.

 

[RicardoSama]

Wow that turned the tables

 

[Keeweed]

Bouncing at someone is way less movability (referring you bubble since that's what I meant when I say shield) than what he can do out side of the shield. The Doomslayer also has more control over his movement in the air due to his grabbing hook and jump boots.

> The only time Steven has gone for CQC without a shield was in his High 6-A pink state.

It's not about his shield. It's his full body shield (bubble). When he fought Spinel or Jasper he didn't hide in a bubble the whole time. The Doomslayer van shot a ice bomb behind a shield that isn't full body to freeze Steven giving the Doomslayer a chance to kill Steven right there.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Keeweed Since this is Future Steven Steven has true flight so

He fought Jasper in his High 6-A form and he was actively trying to NOT fight Spinel

 

[RicardoSama]

Wright proved it wrong - idk

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Bouncing at someone is way less movability (referring you bubble since that's what I meant when I say shield) than what he can do out side of the shield. The Doomslayer also has more control over his movement in the air due to his grabbing hook and jump boots.

> The only time Steven has gone for CQC without a shield was in his High 6-A pink state.

It's not about his shield. It's his full body shield (bubble). When he fought Spinel or Jasper he didn't hide in a bubble the whole time. The Doomslayer van shot a ice bomb behind a shield that isn't full body to freeze Steven giving the Doomslayer a chance to kill Steven right there.

Steven can basically flat out fly by the time of Future so I don't know what you're on about. Also, he doesn't even use his full body shield much during future so I don't know what you're on about. His other shields are also High 6-A so they'll work fine.

>Jasper, Bismuth, and Spinel would like a word with you on that. None of those times did he just bounce at them in his bubble.

Honestly, Ice Grenade is the only really big win con I'm seeing here. Steven can and has handled everything else several times before.

 

[Keeweed]

Steven deals with people with far better stamina due to the fights never becoming drawn out. In his fights with Jasper he usually fused and one shot them and his fight with spinel ended due to emotional issues. The Doomslayer won't have to deal with fusions or emotional problems.

Steven has pseudo flight out of his bubble. Giving the Doomslayer a chance to actually attack Steven since he's dealt with shields many times before.

When it comes to experience, the Doomslayer has fought much longer than most gems (since he's constantly fighting). And while he does stomp most things he came across that was after becoming the Slayer. When he was Doomguy he defeated armies of demons while most of those Demons could easily kill him. Meanwhile the gems during their war had lots of back up and can regenerate from most injuries they did take.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Steven can potentially reflect the ice grenades so

 

[RicardoSama]

OH DAMN, THIS TRULY TURNED THE TABLES

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

according to this if unmaker affects mykrs

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Keeweed He has only fought Jasper once 1v1 and it was in his High 6-A key, it is not a good indicator of how Steven fights normally

Future Steven has true flight and Doomslayer's method of 'dealing with shields' is brute forcing his way through them, something he cannot do to Steven's shield or bubble.

>gems during their war had lots of back up and can regenerate from most injuries they did take.

Gems were explicitly outnumbered several hundred to one with vastly inferior tech including weapons that can instantly cause them to poof and shatter and tech that prevented them from regenerating. what are you even talking about?

 

[The_Wright_Way]

I mean, most of the opponents that the Crystal Gems fodderized have also been alive for thousands of years.

No, but what Doomguy will have to deal with is a person who regularly deals with people that have nearly everything he can bring to the table, has defeated and fought similarly skilled opponents, and has High 6-A shields of various sizes.

The Crystal Gems during the war were also described as consistently outnumbered and casually taking down entire armadas by themselves within lore. And unlike Doomguy, their opponents had been alive and conquering worlds for thousands of years. Doomguy occasionally fights stuff that old, but every opponent the CGs fought has been at least that old.

Also, pretty sure Steven can still fly in his bubble.