Stella Vermillion vs Charizard

[The_real_cal_howard]

Obscure Fire Drago vs Overexposed Fire Drago

Dragon Spirit Stella vs Mega Charizard X

Speed equalized

Both hard resist fire so let's see what works on the other when their main power does next to nothing.

If she has her Desperado stuff in her SSAF arc self then tell me and I'll close this ASAP.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Stella doesn't have Desperado hax like at all. Those are just for indexing purposes, she has never shown them, so not applicable of vs debates.

 

[Ionliosite]

What stops Stella from Phantom Form?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Or Trackless Step?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Or invis?

 

[00potato]

Without fire, what ranged options does she have? Charizard can fly pretty well so she eventually needs to use range unless she somehow ends it on the first melee encounter. If she goes to Trackless step, he could just float up and rain attacks down.

 

[00potato]

Also do we still assume Mega Pokémon only have naturally learned moves despite requiring a trainer?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Without fire? Why without fire?

 

[00potato]

He resists it heavily.

 

[Ionliosite]

To what temperature?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also do we still assume Mega Pokémon only have naturally learned moves despite requiring a trainer?

Yeah. Just natural moves and egg moves. Also Pokémon can mega evolve for free in Mystery Dungeon.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

To what temperature?

Not sure temperature matters so much as power, but any fire type worth their salt can shrug off Magcargo's flames no problem, and its casual body temperature is 18K degrees Fahrenheit.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Charizard has zero defense for Trackless Step. Not sure what Phantom Form would do that material wouldnt.

 

[Ionliosite]

Not sure temperature matters so much as power, but any fire type worth their salt can shrug off Magcargo's flames no problem, and its casual body temperature is 18K degrees Fahrenheit.

Don't we consider Magcargo literally being hotter than the sun an outlier?

 

[00potato]

I forgot how Stella threads tend to go. If surviving the heat of the sun is tier 8, I doubt Stella's temperature will mean much against a High 7-A who resists Fire and is littlerally covered in it. (The sun calc is here.) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No. But why would we? That's only 8-A.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Or invis?

Given its heat based, it might not hold up given that the hea will constantly be in flux in this battle.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Don't we consider Magcargo literally being hotter than the sun an outlier?

We don't.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I forgot how Stella threads tend to go. If surviving the heat of the sun is tier 8, I doubt Stella's temperature will mean much against a High 7-A who resists Fire and is littlerally covered in it. (The sun calc is here.) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats

Durability is different from heat resistance. Or more like heat and blunt force affect different durabilities so the heat doesn't matter.

 

[00potato]

Also Magcargo, who is far weaker, is comparable to the Sun. So even if your previous comment was right (probably not going if off your track record and lack of evidence.) Stella's heat won't be a problem. Where are you even getting the heat is unrelated to durability part from?

 

[Ionliosite]

(probably not going if off your track record and lack of evidence.)

What does this mean?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Also Magcargo, who is far weaker, is comparable to the Sun. So even if your previous comment was right (probably not going if off your track record and lack of evidence.) Stella's heat won't be a problem. Where are you even getting the heat is unrelated to durability part from?

He is actually correct. However, I believe we have yet to adopt that standard.

 

[Ionliosite]

That's what I remember, how did that huge thread where what Earl is saying was being discussed?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@potato

Core of the sun or the sun?

As for the durability it was discussed and agreed upon but very slow in implementation I think.

I made that thread some time ago, but it ended.

 

[TriforcePower1]

I wonder if Ikki vs Ganondorf is fair...

 

[Schnee_One]

Question is Stella's heat measured in Fahrenheit or Celsius

 

[Ionliosite]

Question is Stella's heat measured in Fahrenheit or Celsius

Celsius, only the US and two random countries uses Fahrenheit anyways.

 

[The_Causality]

@Earl Magcargo is only hotter than the sun's surface temperature (approx 10K┬░C iirc).

 

[YungManzi]

Interestingly enough. The USA was supposed to switch over to the metric system a long time ago. Americans themselves just weren't behind the idea of adapting so heavily for a seemingly purposeless reason.

"Motorists rebelled at the idea of highway signs in kilometers, weather watchers blanched at the notion of reading a forecast in Celsius, and consumers balked at the prospect of buying poultry by the kilogram,"

And if the people aren't behind something in the USA, its not gonna stick around.

 

[The_Causality]

I use it probably because i'am French lol, the country where the metric system was invented.

 

[Ionliosite]

Yeah, I know that story. Shows how US's government only knows how to control other countries and not their own people, which is just sad.

But that's derailing, so let's go back to the match.

 

[Schnee_One]

Err.....

Lets keep political shit out of here please

 

[Madotsuki24]

Watch your language.

 

[Schnee_One]

Cursing isn't frowned upon as long as it's being used in context and not meant to offend

Obviously typing "The **** you mean" is a problem, but saying what I said isn't offensie

 

[Madotsuki24]

Okay, sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[Schnee_One]

You didn't misunderstand at all, you just weren't aware, its cool

 

[00potato]

Hey better that you learn now then later.

 

[Ionliosite]

As I said, can we go back to the match already?

 

[00potato]

Sure, you start.

 

[Madotsuki24]

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