SPOILERS: The Dragon Ball Ending.

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

So, apparently, Jiren is able to defeat M.U.I (AKA just U.I) Goku.

"The battle for the fate of their own universe finally reaches its climax! Fighting against Jiren, famously the strongest man, Goku's power comes up slightly short and he falls from the stage! "

"SLIGHTLY SHORT"

WOT?! This likely means that Goku won't lose M.U.I during his battle with Jiren, and that he will get cucked even with this "Ultimate Form". So, HOW CAN FREEZA BEAT THIS GUY?! Jiren's either going to be SO tired that he'll be easily cucked. Or (Even more likely), he'll give the match, due to his newfound "Trust" mindset, thanks to Son Goku and Co.

TDLR: Jiren's bland as ****, but he's stronger than anything Goku's ever going to face...

 

[SunGodAttun]

TDLR: Jiren's bland as ****, but he's stronger than anything Goku's ever going to face...

Until a new vilain is introduced for the upcoming movie

Also Goku hasn't won a single figth against the big bad of a arc in super

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

He beat Freezer in the RoF arc and beat Copy Vegeta

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

@Sun

New Villain doesn't = Stronger/More Dangerous. More of a threat, yes. But, nothing more than that.

Beerus was the FIRST Super Villain, and he's STILL stronger than 95% of Super's Antagonist list.

 

[Ovrhide]

Lol I may die laughing if this is the last time goku would be able to use UI.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

Lol I may die laughing if this is the last time goku would be able to use UI.

We still have the Movie.

 

[Ovrhide]

We still have the Movie.

Ok?

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

We still have the Movie.

Ok?
...Meaning we'll likely see it once more, since it's supposed to take place AFTER the ToP...


Meaning...


It's likely going to be canon.

 

[Antvasima]

Three things:

1) Jiren blasting Goku out of the now fractured arena, does not automatically mean that he is stronger. It means that their match will get interrupted.

2) If Frieza wins, all the other universes will remain destroyed, which would be a waste of good characters, and he would likely wish for all the angels and gods to be his slaves. That could be a good setup for a desperate situation in a continuation series, but is still too much of a cliffhanger for my taste.

3) If Goku wins, he is likely too stupid to say something like: "I wish that all of the universes are restored at an average power level above 7, as Zen'o wants, so he does not just destroy them again", whereas Jiren, who is a much smarter hero, is not.

 

[Ovrhide]

It's likely that jiren is stronger. Goku is struggling his ass off on current shots for preview 130. He's going to be relavent for a time if we take the recent interview at face value

 

[Ovrhide]

Three things:

1) Jiren blasting Goku out of the now fractured arena, does not automatically mean that he is stronger. It means that their match will get interrupted.

2) If Frieza wins, all the other universes will remain destroyed, which would be a waste of good characters, and he would likely wish for all the angels and gods to be his slaves. That could be a good setup for a desperate situation in a continuation series, but is still too much of a cliffhanger for my taste.

3) If Goku wins, he is likely too stupid to say something like: "I wish that all of the universes are restored at an average power level above 7, as Zen'o wants, so he does not just destroy them again", whereas Jiren, who is a much smarter hero, is not.

And freeza won't get his evil wish, since he needs the gods to translate for him, and they won't allow such a wish

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

It's likely that jiren is stronger. Goku is struggling his ass off on current shots for preview 130. He's going to be relavent for a time if we take the recent interview at face value

Son Goku: How did you...?

Jiren: Cause i'm me, bitch.

• Jiren defeats Son Goku

 

[Pannaliciour]

Its weird, I know there are a lot of asspull in this arc. But how can somebody supress that much power in the tournament (Jiren)!? From lying on the ground by Vegeta's final flash to overpowering MUI Goku.

 

[Ovrhide]

Its weird, I know there are a lot of asspull in this arc. But how can somebody supress that much power in the tournament (Jiren)!? From lying on the ground by Vegeta's final flash to overpowering MUI Goku.

Ssg vs beerus?