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They can survive attacks to their stand which is an extension of their soul
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Soul resistance for stand users
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They are still harmed and if the stand is damaged enough, they can faint or even die, i'm pretty sure we don't give resist to soul manip just by surviving attacks unless it is explicit that they should've died.
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I asked some people and they agreed that something similar should be soul resistance
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Jotaro! What you believed to be an evil spirit is a powerful vision, created from your own life energy. Because it appears next to you, that vision is called... a Stand! Stands (スタンド Sutando) are a supernatural power unique to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. A Stand is an entity psychically generated...
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Resistance to Soul Manipulation would be if the Stand was destroyed completely, and the user survived the ordeal. Taking a blow to the soul and, furthermore, suffering equivalent damage to the body is not Resistance. Like, the fact that their souls can be interacted with in the first place is evidence against the notion of Resistance.
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Could be true but I've seen people say simply surviving attacks to your soul is enough for baseline levels of resistance
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I just checked the stand page and it says
So we accept that stand users can withstand soul attacks but attribute it towards supernatural willpower for some reason
So we accept that stand users can withstand soul attacks but attribute it towards supernatural willpower for some reason
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They ain't actually resisting anything, it's just the manifestation of the soul, the Stand, in most cases, has durability, and a lot of the "soul attacks" they take have AP, so they can take a hit or two. It'd be like giving a ghost resistance to Soul manip because it survived a punch from a dude with NPI.
Actual abilities that affects souls effects them all the same, for example, Chariot Requiem's soul manip works on Stands with zero issue and straight up ***** them hard, Whitesnake's Soul Manip works fine on Stands and he can even turn them into Stand DISCs, every Stand ability that also effects Stands, effects Stands the same as it would a non-Stand, etc.
Would be better off listing it under supernatural will or something like Goku has for taking damage to his soul, but given every Stand dude bar very few should have that anyway, it's just extra evidence to the pile.
Actual abilities that affects souls effects them all the same, for example, Chariot Requiem's soul manip works on Stands with zero issue and straight up ***** them hard, Whitesnake's Soul Manip works fine on Stands and he can even turn them into Stand DISCs, every Stand ability that also effects Stands, effects Stands the same as it would a non-Stand, etc.
Would be better off listing it under supernatural will or something like Goku has for taking damage to his soul, but given every Stand dude bar very few should have that anyway, it's just extra evidence to the pile.
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Ok but is surviving a spiritual attack resistance to soul manipulation?
This isn't relevant though, their abilities are like soul absorption and moving them around (Chariot) or turning them into discs
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I agree.
Simplying surviving an attack to the soul / manfiestation of the soul is not Resistance inherently.
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In this case it wouldn't be, if the attack in question has a large enough AP, it'd straight up kill them. See King Crimson gutting Spice Girl.
They don't survive because they resist spiritual attacks, they survive because Star Platinum can tank like a missile to the face and be ok and so any Stand attack that lacks that output ain't gonna do shit to him, unless they use hax. This is thanks to innate durability, not resistance.
This is no different than say, a Poe from Zelda being able to survive an attack from Link, it isn't because it resists Link's NPI and soul fuckery, but just because it has the durability that enables it to live through some damage.
Chariot's ability is classified as the power over souls. This enables him to Empower Stands/Swap souls/Control souls/Control Stands, forcing the Stand to even attack the main body/Fuse souls/etc and more, he can do a **** ton of shit, and every Stand is vulnerable to that.
Whitesnake's ability is described as being able to save and strore one's soul, it transmutes the mind and spirit, the two main facets of the soul in JoJo, and turns them into DISC's, there exists not one Stand that isn't vulnerable to this.
Killer Queen's bomb ability can affect souls and ghosts, it can also affect Stands as seen with him attempting to transmute CD, transmutating a Harvest and more.
I could go on, but in every case where there's an ability that affects the soul, ghosts or Stands, all Stands lack resistance towards it at all. As in, every single time Soul Manip is actually used in JoJo, nobody resists it
Stands do not resist Soul manip except in very special cases and those cases specific towards that individual Stand, and by proxy, neither does the main body. Excluding dudes like Novel Kars, DIO, etc but they have it for completely different reasons, not because something like Whitesnake took a punch from Stone Free and didn't drop dead.
Hard disagree for me.
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Yeah Chariot and the rest make sense, for perspective this would be like giving RWBY characters soul resistance for withstanding Aura damage and aura breaks
Disagree as well
Disagree as well
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I think there should be a minor addition to the Soul Manipulation page to clarify this
Also, should supernatural willpower go as well? Or replace it with another justification like their stands are born of their will
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The will thing is because of the Goku CRT iirc.
You're right in the latter though, to be a Stand user needs one to have a tremendous force of will, and lack of such causes one to die or if they get as far to manifest a Stand, be incapable of controlling it and dying anyway. It's also why animals and criminals are more likely to have Stands as according to Araki, a criminal has a stronger will than noncriminals more often than not in order to do heinous acts and what not and animals are entirely instinctive and have a much stronger life or death preservation and will to survive than a person. Stands also move according to one's will and fighting spirit, and the stronger the will affects the Stand's capabilities proportionally.
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I added the supernatural willpower justification, this thread can be closed
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jojo character are just built different i swear almost every character including minor ones who only show up for 1 or 2 episodes have at least 1 ridiculous pain tolerance feat, sometimes on some damn near minor immortality type 2 shit
