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Sosuke Aizen Vs The Hunter (Bloodborne)
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And it was blatantly physically developed. That’s a giant, superhuman humanoid vs a baby slug. That’s literally a false equivalency lmao
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Yeah, since it is an entirely different form. It’s only abilities would actually be whatever passives it gets for being a great old one and maybe something like “will eventually gain more powers” or smtn like that. You get the idea.
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You literally see orphan come out the womb. How is it not the same? How does it make sense to you that when the hunter became a Great One that he somehow got weaker in the process?
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1. This one isn’t shown being birthed, also, correct me if i’m wrong, wasn’t the corpse there for a long period of time already? The slug is just poof, there. Also, the Orphan of Kos was already blatantly developed, like I said before.
2. So you’re assuming that the tiny slug is somehow more powerful than the humanoid, despite being a newborn?
Your reason for it having the same powers is that “he just became a great old one”, mine is that it’s literally a tiny slug with no showcased abilities, and an ENTIRELY NEW FORM. It’s a MUCH bigger assumption to say that it has all of the same abilities and strengths.
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Using vague wording like “he just became a great old one” is just an ambiguity fallacy, chief. You have to be specific.
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There are 2 things you have to take into account. The hunter beat the moon presence, establishing himself as the superior combatant resisting all of his abilities. He then absorbs The Moon Presence and all of its abilities. The combination of those two events is what makes him a Great One, so yes logically when we take those 2 events into account we can say that his slug form would be stronger than his previous one. The main question should be why wouldn’t it be?
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The why wouldn’t it be is
1. We never see any abilities being showcased, and he’s shown as a newborn.
2. It’s also an entirely new body, so there’s not really any reason for The Hunter to have all of the abilities he had in his Hunter body. He could have all of the abilities of The Moon Presence, but that would be one he’s full-grown and developed, which isn’t what we see. If that’s what people are going to say, then a CRT should likely be made with a new key, showing what abilities he would logically keep/have and how strong he would still be.
3. He wouldn’t logically have any of his equipment since he’s not shown with any of it and as a newborn wouldn’t be capable of using them anyway.
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Its really not, all Great Ones, including newborns such as Mergo and the Orphan of Kos, display these abilities
Just because you willfully ignore this fact bcause it means aizen gets at absolute worst an inconclusive in this match does not make it headcannon
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Kos’ body has literally partially decayed though, meaning that the body had been there for a while, meaning that the Orphan wasn’t just born. Also, it’s still blatantly physically developed. The Hunter is not, and doesn’t display any abilities. Supporting evidence of this is that the body itself drove the town crazy over time, despite just being a corpse.
Mergo is literally only mentioned. Mergo doesn’t display anything other than passive madness manipulation, which still results in an inconclusive.
This point is effectively null. It’s entirely different situations with all 3 of these.
I’m not “ignoring facts”, you’re applying the same logic to 3 vastly different situations. The same false equivalency from earlier, just with another part involved.
Saying that the tiny, newborn worm has The Hunter’s abilities is pure headcanon. Saying he can resurrect himself with The Hunter’s Dream is also pretty damn headcanon, considering that The Moon Presence couldn’t do that when he had control of it. It’s completely unbased.
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Im using reguler Hunter not great one fetus lmao
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That should really have been specified clearer. The Hunter has 3 5-A keys. Not sure why the LG Hunter and the YS and HW endings are different keys though. That's all functionally the same Hunter.
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I didnt even know the fetus had a key, dude is featless
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And functionally a new entity as well. IMO it's kinda ridiculous to assume anything about it other then generic Old One stuff, like the madness hax.
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Yes passive madness hax
And it still applies even if Aizen soul crushes, not sure why you keep ignoring that part
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Actually scratch that. The YS ending is the Hunter cut off from the Dream and the HW ending is the Hunter locked into the Dream.
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Iirc the hunter has weapons that passively cause it
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exactly
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no you moron we’re not using fetus old one, passive madness hax doesn’t apply .-.
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Shame he won’t get the opportunity to use them.
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Do you mind not resorting to name calling.
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I was agitated, I apologize for that.
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Seriously im not sure why this has to be stated so many times but the Hunter's madness hax doesnt suddenly stop working if he dies
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I dont get the soul crush stuff
I was under the impression it didnt work on stronger opponents?
I was under the impression it didnt work on stronger opponents?
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Not how it works on wiki. It’s scaled to Soul Manipulation. Been that way for about 2 years or so.
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the hunter himself d-o-e-s-n-o-t have madness manipulation, his worm infant old one does and we a-i-n-t using him
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it’s literally a completely different form, a new entity, it should at least be a KEY, his abilities are supposed to be entirely separate from the normal hunter
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Yea, i know about how it works in bleach.
I just dont know how verse equalization affects it. Like in bleach u cant have super strength without strong reishi.
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Vs Equalization would work if the other person has sufficient enough soul manipulation resistance. Being strong isn’t enough.
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Basically if you don’t have resistance to soul manipulation you get s-c-r-e-w-e-d
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Yes, but weapons like the Bloodletter directly reference being powered by the user's Soul.
"The demented hunter weapon brandished by Brador, the Healing Church assassin.
The Bloodletter assumes its true and terrifying form after it draws upon blood from the inner reaches of one's body and soul.
This is the only effective means of expelling tainted blood, or so Brador, isolated in his cell, continued to believe."
The Hunter's soul directly scales to his Tier.
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That’s not how we scale Soul Manipulation potency. We scale it like Mind Manipulation. Based on the number of targets effected and etc.
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Wait so its not Childhood Beginning Hunter anymore?
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