Sonic Generations is NOT CANON (3DS)

[Sparkive]

Hi everyone

Spoiler: INTRO

So... it's time to try to decanonize Sonic Generations (3DS)!
Seeing that my Runner canonicity thread isn't doing very well at the moment, I thought I'd move on to my next plan, and see if I can promote the previous one this way
So, This is my Christmas present! (Don't worry, I think this is the only game left on my list "I think is non-canon", you don't have to worry about me trying to decanonize anything else for now, unless I end up trying to decanonize TMoStH)

First off, if you've seen the previous one, we need to get it off our chest...
External media:

• With the exception of Colors, the desktop version is generally considered the canon versions (Colors is a special case) - September 26th, 2022
• The encyclo-speedia describes the events of the home console version as the story of Generations, despite making no distinction with the Sonic Colors versions.

...
And that's all
There aren't many mentions, and let's be honest, we already know that it's not the most reliable source, so I'll aim more for the 3DS version contradicting the PC version (I'll call it PC, but I'm referring to all versions except 3DS), so... here are all the inconsistencies between the 2 versions:
By the way, if I'm not trying to decanonize Lost World, it's because it literally reuses the cinematics, the story doesn't change between the versions.

Spoiler: Important

• Sonic Gen 3DS technically happens before Gen PC (Tails was preparing the surprise party, and Sonic appeared Early), but it prevents the events of Gen Normal from happening since the problem was already solved
• The friends were never sucked into white space, In fact, Eggman seems to have deliberately only caught Sonic and Tails.
• A different cinematic than the PC version happen after the Biolizard boss (they directly mention the Biolizard, the Tails' roles are reversed in the joke, The emerald that damages the Time Eater is one they had obtained before [unlike the PC version], Right here the upgrades to Sonic's shoes happen)
• The emeralds in the PC version (or at least 1) are in white space, not an special stage/dimension or anything like that
• They return before the party, and the classic versions don't make it into it.
• Different scaling: The Sonics receive several attacks from the Time Eater, but, they never end up in such a bad state as in the PC version, (and the 2 Tails are able to protect them) while in the PC version, the Sonics are basically One-shotted (and if they didn't die it was because Eggman didn't want it that way) also, they transformed by their own decision, unlike the PC version, where it was thanks to the emeralds and his friends. (This technically makes the Sonic and Tails downscale in durability to the Time Eater AP in the 3DS version)
• *In Shadow Gen, Sonic and Shadow fight for the emerald and Shadow gives him a fake one so he can trade it at the end of the game, right? In 3DS, they fight because Sonic felt like it and since Rouge isn't in the white space, nor does Shadow appear at the end, all that doesn't happen (Shadow gen, ignore Sonic Gen 3ds completely)

Spoiler: No really relevant

• Sonic and Classic Sonic meet in the mirror scene, but instead of the giant robot, the door entrance is to find Metal Sonic, and since they are subject to the same scene, technically it is impossible for one version to pass if the other did (Also in the 3DS version Metal Sonic is in Casino Zone, not Stardust Speedway.)
  • In Shadow's case, although it is also somewhat tied to the story, (Sonic notices someone running (Shadow) and decides to attack him), in this case I think it is more ignorable, because it does not change any course of events; the same thing happens, but you fight him in Radical Highway.
  • In Silver's case, there is no story at all before the fight against Silver, and after the fight against Egg Emperor, but you fight him at Tropical Resort.
    • Obviously, none of the rivals' introductory scenes can happen, because the scenarios are different
• In the 3DS version there is no implication that the classic version fails when do the boost.

Spoiler: Extras

• By the way, the 3DS version has scenes where Sonic teaches his classic version the homing attack, and another one that implies that the stomp needs modifications to the shoes to work (Tails makes them 30% lighter, allowing Sonic to move more freely and do a stomp).
• Question, can the Badnicks resist the effects of the Time Eater? Because in the 3DS version there is one outside the levels flying freely (I'm not going to look for it in the PC version)

Based on the inconsistencies between both versions, (having changes in history, while technically happening at different times and even being able to affect scaling) I think that one of the 2 versions should not be canon, and considering that Shadow generations exist... Gen 3ds is the one.

Now... what changes if we decanonize Gens 3ds?

Spoiler: Changes

• Classic Sonic
  • Loses the mention in his intelligence about copying the homing attack just by seeing modern Sonic do it (1 reference - Intelligence)
    (The homing attack is obtainable in the PC version, so I imagine he still retains the ability to do it)
  • Loses the link to "reversed the damage" (Supersonic AP KEY)
• Sonic the Hedgehog (Modern)
  • Loses the mention about "reverse the damage in space time caused by Time Eater" (1 reference - Super sonic AP KEY)
    (I doubt it will really change much)
• Silver the Hedgehog (Game)
  • Loses reference in the teleportation ability (base)... but not the ability, because Silver from generations pc also does it (1 reference - Powers and Abilities)
• Dr. Eggman (Game)
  • In "Energy Projection, Weapon Creation & Weapon Control" loses "is capable of shooting smaller and thinner green lasers" (apparently 3ds exclusive), "Spears" (They were probably the same drills to begin with) (Powers and Abilities)
  • In "Breath Attack" loses "can do so in quick succession", (Powers and Abilities)
    (1 reference)
• Time Eater
  • In "Energy Projection, Weapon Creation & Weapon Control" loses "is capable of shooting smaller and thinner green lasers" (apparently 3ds exclusive), "Spears" (They were probably the same drills to begin with) (Powers and Abilities)
  • In "Breath Attack" loses "can do so in quick succession", (Powers and Abilities)
  • In his AP, he lose reference 24 (AP)
    (2 references)
• Big Arms
  • Loses "Shockwave Generation" The abilitie comes from here) (Powers and Abilities)
• Biolizard
  • Loses "Fought Modern Sonic" in his AP (Maintains the same tier thanks to Shadow generations, same case in speed) (1 reference - AP&Speed)
• Boost (Main Continuity)
  • The example of generations 3ds is lost "due to its capacity to cancel out energy attacks"
    (1 reference)
• Sonic The Hedgehog (Main Continuity) Cosmology Page
  • The white space no longer contains the special stages "several Special Stages" (White Space)
  • 1 reference is lost in "all of the space time continuum was removed" (White Space)
  • 1 reference is lost in "dimensions" (Infinite Tunnels Dimension)
    (3 references)

Thats is all
Merry Christmas!

Note: Anything with a * in it is something that was added at some point after the thread was posted
P.S.: When I was making the thead in the sandbox, every time I try to edit it, the Biolizard part gets deleted, WT*!

 

[Omegabronic]

Hi everyone

Spoiler: INTRO

So... it's time to try to decanonize Sonic Generations (3DS)!
Seeing that my Runner canonicity thread isn't doing very well at the moment, I thought I'd move on to my next plan, and see if I can promote the previous one this way
So, This is my Christmas present! (Don't worry, I think this is the only game left on my list "I think is non-canon", you don't have to worry about me trying to decanonize anything else for now, unless I end up trying to decanonize TMoStH)

First off, if you've seen the previous one, we need to get it off our chest...
External media:

• With the exception of Colors, the desktop version is generally considered the canon versions (Colors is a special case) - September 26th, 2022

Given the recent statement Ian did about him not representing Sega and all his answers being his opinions without any promise of being accurate.....this is flimsy at best tbh

• The encyclo-speedia describes the events of the home console version as the story of Generations, despite making no distinction with the Sonic Colors versions.

this.......is a description that works for 3DS Gens as well.......there is no difference in story between them

...
And that's all
There aren't many mentions, and let's be honest, we already know that it's not the most reliable source, so I'll aim more for the 3DS version contradicting the PC version (I'll call it PC, but I'm referring to all versions except 3DS), so... here are all the inconsistencies between the 2 versions:
By the way, if I'm not trying to decanonize Lost World, it's because it literally reuses the cinematics, the story doesn't change between the versions.

Spoiler: Important

• Sonic Gen 3DS technically happens before Gen PC (Tails was preparing the surprise party, and Sonic appeared Early), but it prevents the events of Gen Normal from happening since the problem was already solved
• The friends were never sucked into white space, In fact, Eggman seems to have deliberately only caught Sonic and Tails.
• A different cinematic than the PC version happen after the Biolizard boss (they directly mention the Biolizard, the Tails' roles are reversed in the joke, The emerald that damages the Time Eater is one they had obtained before [unlike the PC version], Right here the upgrades to Sonic's shoes happen)
• The emeralds in the PC version (or at least 1) are in white space, not an special stage/dimension or anything like that
• They return before the party, and the classic versions don't make it into it.
• Different scaling: The Sonics receive several attacks from the Time Eater, but, they never end up in such a bad state as in the PC version, (and the 2 Tails are able to protect them) while in the PC version, the Sonics are basically One-shotted (and if they didn't die it was because Eggman didn't want it that way) also, they transformed by their own decision, unlike the PC version, where it was thanks to the emeralds and his friends. (This technically makes the Sonic and Tails downscale in durability to the Time Eater AP in the 3DS version)

Spoiler: No really relevant

• Sonic and Classic Sonic meet in the mirror scene, but instead of the giant robot, the door entrance is to find Metal Sonic, and since they are subject to the same scene, technically it is impossible for one version to pass if the other did (Also in the 3DS version Metal Sonic is in Casino Zone, not Stardust Speedway.)
  • In Shadow's case, although it is also somewhat tied to the story, (Sonic notices someone running (Shadow) and decides to attack him), in this case I think it is more ignorable, because it does not change any course of events; the same thing happens, but you fight him in Radical Highway.
  • In Silver's case, there is no story at all before the fight against Silver, and after the fight against Egg Emperor, but you fight him at Tropical Resort.
    • Obviously, none of the rivals' introductory scenes can happen, because the scenarios are different
• In the 3DS version there is no implication that the classic version fails when do the boost.

Spoiler: Extras

• By the way, the 3DS version has scenes where Sonic teaches his classic version the homing attack, and another one that implies that the stomp needs modifications to the shoes to work (Tails makes them 30% lighter, allowing Sonic to move more freely and do a stomp).
• Question, can the Badnicks resist the effects of the Time Eater? Because in the 3DS version there is one outside the levels flying freely (I'm not going to look for it in the PC version)

Based on the inconsistencies between both versions, (having changes in history, while technically happening at different times and even being able to affect scaling) I think that one of the 2 versions should not be canon, and considering that Shadow generations exist... Gen 3ds is the one.

Now... what changes if we decanonize Gens 3ds?

Spoiler: Changes

• Classic Sonic
  • Loses the mention in his intelligence about copying the homing attack just by seeing modern Sonic do it (1 reference - Intelligence)
    (The homing attack is obtainable in the PC version, so I imagine he still retains the ability to do it)
  • Loses the link to "reversed the damage" (Supersonic AP KEY)
• Sonic the Hedgehog (Modern)
  • Loses the mention about "reverse the damage in space time caused by Time Eater" (1 reference - Super sonic AP KEY)
    (I doubt it will really change much)
• Silver the Hedgehog (Game)
  • Loses reference in the teleportation ability (base)... but not the ability, because Silver from generations pc also does it (1 reference - Powers and Abilities)
• Dr. Eggman (Game)
  • In "Energy Projection, Weapon Creation & Weapon Control" loses "is capable of shooting smaller and thinner green lasers" (apparently 3ds exclusive), "Spears" (They were probably the same drills to begin with) (Powers and Abilities)
  • In "Breath Attack" loses "can do so in quick succession", (Powers and Abilities)
    (1 reference)
• Time Eater
  • In "Energy Projection, Weapon Creation & Weapon Control" loses "is capable of shooting smaller and thinner green lasers" (apparently 3ds exclusive), "Spears" (They were probably the same drills to begin with) (Powers and Abilities)
  • In "Breath Attack" loses "can do so in quick succession", (Powers and Abilities)
  • In his AP, he lose reference 24 (AP)
    (2 references)
• Big Arms
  • Loses "Shockwave Generation" The abilitie comes from here) (Powers and Abilities)
• Biolizard
  • Loses "Fought Modern Sonic" in his AP (Maintains the same tier thanks to Shadow generations, same case in speed) (1 reference - AP&Speed)
• Boost (Main Continuity)
  • The example of generations 3ds is lost "due to its capacity to cancel out energy attacks"
    (1 reference)
• Sonic The Hedgehog (Main Continuity) Cosmology Page
  • The white space no longer contains the special stages "several Special Stages" (White Space)
  • 1 reference is lost in "all of the space time continuum was removed" (White Space)
  • 1 reference is lost in "dimensions" (Infinite Tunnels Dimension)
    (3 references)

Thats is all
Merry Christmas!

As you linked, the story between both is fundamentally the same, so the abilities gained from fundamental parts of the story, such as the explanation of how the world was restored at the end of the game, should remain, gameplay aside of course

3DS also explain stuff that happens in the HD Release, such as how the world was restored back again to begin with, as well as how Classic Sonic learned the homing attack he uses in Forces, which he only did in Gens 3DS

 

[Robo432343]

agree

 

[Theuser789]

Yeah, no. I don't agree with this. Bumblekast is not reliable (Ian was wrong about Speed Sim not being canon, for example), and that's the only real evidence. Contradictions between versions don't really matter when you use the DS version being canon, which contradicts the console version. Plus Prime is canon, lol.

 

[Sparkive]

Yeah, no. I don't agree with this. Bumblekast is not reliable (Ian was wrong about Speed Sim not being canon, for example), and that's the only real evidence. Contradictions between versions don't really matter when you use the DS version being canon, which contradicts the console version. Plus Prime is canon, lol.

1 Colors Ds is a special case
2 I'm pretty sure that while researching I found an interview that made it clear that Colors Ds worked as a complement to Colors (and was also constantly referenced in the future)

I can't say much about Prime, I just hope that the planned comic version fixes a few things.

 

[Sparkive]

As you linked, the story between both is fundamentally the same

Again:

• Sonic's friends are not caught,
• The events of Sonic Generations 3ds if canon happen before Sonic's birthday party, (so Gen 3ds comes before Gen)
• Generations desktop shows you some floating emeralds, but are they supposed to be in a separate dimension?, worse, than the one that Sonic uses to defend himself from Time Eater in 3ds and the one that Time Eater collides with, they are the same (red) , that is, Sonic has it but not
• In Shadow Gen, Sonic and Shadow fight for the emerald and Shadow gives him a fake one so he can trade it at the end of the game, right? In 3DS, they fight because Sonic felt like it and since Rouge isn't in the white space, nor does Shadow appear at the end, all that doesn't happen (Shadow gen, ignore Sonic Gen 3ds completely)
• According to 3DS, the Sonics probably downgrade the Time Eater (same as Tails), and become Super when they see that Tails defends them (If I understand correctly how the Super Sonic tier works, the whole "signified by Sonic’s friends cheering on Modern and Classic Sonic to get up and supplying them with heavy amounts of positive emotion energy" thing goes down the drain in 3DS)

They are the same... in the basic part, it is almost all the details that differ

Spoiler: Question

Why do we choose to interpret the fight for the desktop version, but the issue of how do you get the emeralds for the 3DS version, when in the desktop version, you directly get an emerald without entering a special zone and in the 3DS the scaling to Time Eater is completely different?

this.......is a description that works for 3DS Gens as well.......there is no difference in story between them

Except that mentions his friends getting caught, which only happens in the PC/HD/X Shadow version.


I would continue, but the power will soon go out (Ecuador) I will return in about 2/3 hours, although I will edit this comment until that happens
So for some reason the power hasn't gone out in my area... I don't understand my country

 

[Theuser789]

1 Colors Ds is a special case
2 I'm pretty sure that while researching I found an interview that made it clear that Colors Ds worked as a complement to Colors (and was also constantly referenced in the future)

I can't say much about Prime, I just hope that the planned comic version fixes a few things.

Any proof it's a special case? Because your only arguments are the Bumblekast (not realible) and contradictions (which almost every game has).

 

[Omegabronic]

Again, Sonic's friends are not caught-

As you linked, the story between both is fundamentally the same, so the abilities gained from fundamental parts of the story, such as the explanation of how the world was restored at the end of the game, should remain, gameplay aside of course

3DS also explain stuff that happens in the HD Release, such as how the world was restored back again to begin with, as well as how Classic Sonic learned the homing attack he uses in Forces, which he only did in Gens 3DS

Fundamentally =/= literally..........don't distort my wording again please, i don't like when people do that

Except that mentions his friends getting caught, which only happens in the PC/HD/X Shadow version.

Classic and Modern Tails are Sonic's friends and they are still caught......so no

I would continue, but soon the light goes out (Ecuador) I will return in about 2/3 hours

ok, then address my actual point:

As you linked, the story between both is fundamentally the same, so the abilities gained from fundamental parts of the story, such as the explanation of how the world was restored at the end of the game, should remain, gameplay aside of course

3DS also explain stuff that happens in the HD Release, such as how the world was restored back again to begin with, as well as how Classic Sonic learned the homing attack he uses in Forces, which he only did in Gens 3DS

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Yeah, no. I don't agree with this. Bumblekast is not reliable (Ian was wrong about Speed Sim not being canon, for example), and that's the only real evidence. Contradictions between versions don't really matter when you use the DS version being canon, which contradicts the console version. Plus Prime is canon, lol.

I disagree with the OP.

 

[Sparkive]

ok, then address my actual point:

That comes from here, right?
(If so, please explain to me if Sonic Retro, a collaborative online Sonic encyclopedia, is official.)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this a summary of someone's findings? because this:

Now, thanks to forum member Effexor, we have delicious gigantic scans of the article and images of the 3DS version for your consumption.

doesn't seem very usable to me
Also, It could easily be in relation to: the enemy does this, there is white space, and Sonic and himself are going to stop it.
Of course the plot is the same if you summarize it like this: a new evil presence has erased all of time and space, causing Modern Sonic to fall into the past and meet his pudgy past self.
If that's what you mean by fundamental, I don't know what to tell you, that's TOO open.

3DS also explain stuff that happens in the HD Release, such as how the world was restored back again to begin with,

but they don't use it for that, they beat Time Eater and AUTOMATICALLY EVERYTHING GOES BACK TO NORMAL
Tails didn't even expect to return to the place

Any proof it's a special case? Because your only arguments are the Bumblekast (not realible) and contradictions (which almost every game has).

• the DS version of Sonic Colours shares the same storyline and environment, but it different to the Wii version in terms of the level design and the gameplay experience.
• if you play the DS version you get a better understanding of the story for Sonic Colours.
• Additionally, the DS-exclusive character Mother Wisp has reappeared in future titles.

 

[Omegabronic]

but they don't use it for that, they beat Time Eater and AUTOMATICALLY EVERYTHING GOES BACK TO NORMAL
Tails didn't even expect to return to the place

.......you.......you ignored the statement you yourself linked before? there is a screen transition, White Space still exists after the TE is killed, there is literally no evidence that merely killing him makes things he erased go back to normal, specially when we are told directly that the Emeralds are the cause for everything going back to normal

Ignoring this is ignoring the reasoning the game itself gives for how all came back to normal

• the DS version of Sonic Colours shares the same storyline and environment, but it different to the Wii version in terms of the level design and the gameplay experience.

And said Storyline is different and as contradictory as the 3DS Generations and HD Generations.........so, again, User's point stands

• if you play the DS version you get a better understanding of the story for Sonic Colours.

Which is the same as Generations 3DS as it explains several things that happened after Gens, such as Classic Sonic having the Homing attack and how the World came back to normal after the TE was defeated, which are both things you didn't address at all btw

• Additionally, the DS-exclusive character Mother Wisp has reappeared in future titles.

.......only in Runners, which is canonically a different universe from the main universe.............so, yeah, that's no help

 

[JJSliderman]

No, Mother Wisp is in TSR as well

 

[Sparkive]

.......you.......you ignored the statement you yourself linked before? there is a screen transition, White Space still exists after the TE is killed, there is literally no evidence that merely killing him makes things he erased go back to normal, specially when we are told directly that the Emeralds are the cause for everything going back to normal

Ignoring this is ignoring the reasoning the game itself gives for how all came back to normal

1. Stop the accusations
2. Ok, maybe I assumed too much, still, but, a generic white transition... there is no evidence that Sonic did anything after that, there is literally no evidence of anything there.
All we see is the end of the fight - transition - everything returned to normal
Also, which one are you referring to? The CTR has several links and comments have several more.

And said Storyline is different and as contradictory as the 3DS Generations and HD Generations.........so, again, User's point stands

As far as I remember, what Sonic Colors DS does is add, not change thing, except for the ending (basically what Frontiers did with their DLC)
I could be wrong

Which is the same as Generations 3DS as it explains several things that happened after Gens, such as Classic Sonic having the Homing attack and how the World came back to normal after the TE was defeated, which are both things you didn't address at all btw

1. Stop the accusations, again (Also, even if you think I did it wrong, I did answer one of those.)
2. How do we treat Sonic Generations' "Skills"?, I thought we considered it canon, also:

2.1 Classic Sonic doesn't use it in Forces​

2.2 The Homink attack does not appear in Mania (that I remember)​

2.3 Classic Sonic only can use it with Extra in Superstar​

2.4 Sonic 4 doesn't count, he only has that ability because he was originally the connection between the Classic and Modern era (until Generations and Mania said no to that)​

When Classic Sonic uses it again without an external power source?

User asked me if I had another evidence of Colors DS apart from the Bubblecast, that's what I gave him, better wait for what he thinks about it
(Besides, Iizuka was a person to be taken into account, right?)

.......only in Runners, which is canonically a different universe from the main universe.............so, yeah, that's no help

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[Omegabronic]

1. Stop the accusations

It was a question......not an acusati

2. Ok, maybe I assumed too much, still, but, a generic white transition... there is no evidence that Sonic did anything after that, there is literally no evidence of anything there.

.......it is literally said to us they used the emeralds, this now i can affirm, is a lie, intentional or not

All we see is the end of the fight - transition - everything returned to normal
Also, which one are you referring to? The CTR has several links and comments have several more.

The one about the Restoration hax? You know......the scan we are talking about?

As far as I remember, what Sonic Colors DS does is add, not change thing

It does change things, Dialogue, characters, stages, etc, many things are different from the console version

except for the ending (basically what Frontiers did with their DLC)
I could be wrong

And you are.......also Frontiers considers both endings "canon" sooo

1. Stop the accusations, again (Also, even if you think I did it wrong, I did answer one of those.)

Acusation? It wasn't an acusation, it was an observation, you really shouldn't take this to heart, i didn't even insult you

2. How do we treat Sonic Generations' "Skills"?

I.....never made this question?

I thought we considered it canon, also:

2.1 Classic Sonic doesn't use it in Forces​

He does, that is how he attacks the Death Egg Robot in the final battle



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2.2 The Homink attack does not appear in Mania (that I remember)​

Irrelevant, thr Spin Dash doesn't appear in Gens for Modern Sonic as well, this doesn't prove he doesn't have it

2.3 Classic Sonic only can use it with Extra in Superstar​

Contradicted by Forces and Sonic 4, the latter which is before Superstars

2.4 Sonic 4 doesn't count, he only has that ability because he was originally the connection between the Classic and Modern era (until Generations and Mania said no to that)​

Good theory......but wrong(seriously give me a single statement for that), MS from CD comes back in 4 and fights Knuckles in Chaotix, so

Also even if that was the case......it isn't anymore, so it doesn't matter, you can't ignore it

When Classic Sonic uses it again without an external power source?

Forces and Sonic 4

User asked me if I had another evidence of Colors DS apart from the Bubblecast, that's what I gave him, better wait for what he thinks about it

......this doesn't change what i said

(Besides, Iizuka was a person to be taken into account, right?)

.........this doesn't change what i said

 

[Sparkive]

The one about the Restoration hax? You know......the scan we are talking about?

'm sorry but link it back to me please
because the only thing that sounds familiar to me about restoration is this:
And I don't remeber contradict myself at any time in relation to that link

And you are.......also Frontiers considers both endings "canon" sooo

I'll be honest with you, that's something I want to review at some point, but currently it's like that, so, It's fair

It does change things, Dialogue, characters, stages, etc, many things are different from the console version

To be honest, I should have revisited Sonic Colors DS as well, I think I rushed this CTR a bit
I forgot to link it, I was referring to this
If we consider these things canon, then it doesn't matter if he uses it later or not.

He does, that is how he attacks the Death Egg Robot in the final battle

WT... seriously
I'll be honest, I had forgotten, but why the h*-- does he only use it once in all the games he's been in post generations
Really Sega?
Also, why can the Avatar do it too?

Good theory......but wrong(seriously give me a single statement for that), MS from CD comes back in 4 and fights Knuckles in Chaotix, so

Because, literally that was the goal of Sonic 4, the problem is that as classic Sonic reappeared and began to do so constantly
On the Sonic 4 website (That I remember) there was even an order for the classic era, and guess what, it said 1,2, 3, &Knuckles, CD and that's it, ignoring Game Gear, Chaotix, etc.
Sonic 4 is where it is according to us simply because currently everything classic is canon (with the exception of the obvious)
P.S: f###, it's impossible to find info on the website, I was relying on the wayback machine, but no

Also even if that was the case......it isn't anymore, so it doesn't matter, you can't ignore it

I guess you're right about that, for better or worse Sonic 4 is in the middle, at a point where it clearly shouldn't be, incomplete, but it is

......this doesn't change what i said

.........this doesn't change what i said

I don't have to, he had a question, I answered it, and now it's time to see if he thinks it's enough or not

Also, the point was that Sonic Colors DS has confirmed that intention from interviews with Iizuka
even if it does so to a certain extent, what is the proof that Generations 3DS isn't just a separate version?


...
Yeah, maybe I should have waited a bit before posting this CTR

 

[Omegabronic]

'm sorry but link it back to me please
because the only thing that sounds familiar to me about restoration is this:
And I don't remeber contradict myself at any time in relation to that link

......i never said you contradicted yourself? Do you even know what we are talking about?

I'll be honest with you, that's something I want to review at some point, but currently it's like that, so, It's fair

fair it is then

To be honest, I should have revisited Sonic Colors DS as well, I think I rushed this CTR a bit

Don't you think it is better to pause this until you have all things covered then? it is looking a little bit all over the place as is

I forgot to link it, I was referring to this
If we consider these things canon, then it doesn't matter if he uses it later or not.

......i don't see how they relate to anything here? the Homing Attacks is not a skill in Gens, Classic just.....learns it and can use it as his normal moveset

WT... seriously
I'll be honest, I had forgotten, but why the h*-- does he only use it once in all the games he's been in post generations
Really Sega?

Meh, i dunno why, but what i do know is that this proves that Classic had to learn it at some point before SuperStars, and we see him learning it in Gens 3DS and nowhere else.....so

Because, literally that was the goal of Sonic 4, the problem is that as classic Sonic reappeared and began to do so constantly
On the Sonic 4 website (That I remember) there was even an order for the classic era, and guess what, it said 1,2, 3, &Knuckles, CD and that's it, ignoring Game Gear, Chaotix, etc.
Sonic 4 is where it is according to us simply because currently everything classic is canon (with the exception of the obvious)
P.S: f###, it's impossible to find info on the website, I was relying on the wayback machine, but no

huh, until you find proof it is better to drop this point then

I guess you're right about that, for better or worse Sonic 4 is in the middle, at a point where it clearly shouldn't be, incomplete, but it is

eh, we have to deal with the way things are, the way they should be is forever in our dreams

I don't have to, he had a question, I answered it, and now it's time to see if he thinks it's enough or not

ok, fair enough

Also, the point was that Sonic Colors DS has confirmed that intention from interviews with Iizuka
even if it does so to a certain extent, what is the proof that Generations 3DS isn't just a separate version?

Who said it isn't a separated version? it is, but elements from it have to be canon else events from the Main Games make no sense(Classic using the Homing Attack in Forces and Sonic 4, The world being restored in Gens HD, etc)

 

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Yeah, maybe I should have waited a bit before posting this CTR

Maybe you should, would you rather have this closed until you can short things out better?