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Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z) Page Revision | Organizing and Adding Abilities

ProudLearner said:
That's still a resistance. He tanked it underwater and was able to pull and break pirate robot's tail off.

Goku was holding his breath underwater when he was attack by surprise from Pirate Robot, which he almost drown. When Goku broke his tail, the electrical attack stop. Its a resistance.

I would of conceded, if Goku were to get knockoff off by the attack.
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To tank something you need to shrug it off, here Goku is clearly in pain, he just pushez through it sto snap the robot's tail, which is stamina.
If we were to give electricity resistance to every character who doesn't faint after or while being electrocuted, then 10k characters on the wiki would have it.
The KH example isn't the same, the object specifically gives you resistance (which isn't immunity), while here Goku doesn't show hany sign of actual resistance.

ProudLearner said:
Goku was dead most of the Majin Buu Saga until Elder Kai gave his life to him. If its redundant then i'll removed it.
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I know, but I think his Buu saga key covers him at the latest point in time, when he is alive.
 
What Saman has accepted can probably be applied, but not what he has rejected.
 
SamanPatou said:
I know, but I think his Buu saga key covers him at the latest point in time, when he is alive.
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He can just be given two sub-tabbers for his Buu Saga key to cover both his Dead and Alive selve' abilities.
And I'm pretty sure his AP justification contains him being stated to be above Cell Saga Gohan, fighting Majin Vegeta, and overpowering Fat Buu, which all happened when he was still dead.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
He can just be given two sub-tabbers for his Buu Saga key to cover both his Dead and Alive selve' abilities.
And I'm pretty sure his AP justification contains him being stated to be above Cell Saga Gohan, fighting Majin Vegeta, and overpowering Fat Buu, which all happened when he was still dead.
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Nothing with Goku really changes in the Buu Saga though. Unlike Gohan or Gotenks he doesn't become any stronger in that saga
 
So what should we do here exactly?
 
BOEGVELD said:
Not sustaining any damage + being able to break the Robot's tail while being electrocuted seems a lot like resistance though.
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He indeed took damage, you can clearly see how he's visibly in pain, and snapping the tail is just stamina since he managed to act despite that.
 
What about Limited Resistance to Electricity (Kid Goku manage to survive Pirate Robot's electrical attack underwater with minor damage)
 
SamanPatou said:
He indeed took damage, you can clearly see how he's visibly in pain, and snapping the tail is just stamina since he managed to act despite that.
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He took damage, but it not kill him, call this stamina feat is really wrong, stamina do not help you again electricity that electrocute your body. And even then, if he use stamina to "withstand" electricity, he by all mean still resist it to some extend, you can still count it as resistance abeit a minor one. We give people resistance to mind hax despite some of them broke from it via sheer will, so resist electricity via stamina is still a valid resistance. Also people forget that Ki can generate electricity, no reason for ki user can't resist electricity.
So i'm all in for a Minor Resistance or Limited Resistance, sure a solid, full-blown one is out of the window, he clearly got affected by it, however he still withstand it and alive. Just demote this feat down to stamina feat is really bad, we need to be flexible when it come to evaluate feat, not rigidly doing things
 
This the thing, a lot of characters in this wiki gets resistance for tanking hax with minor damage.

It seems to me that, Saman, thinks that Resistance is the same as Immunity from what I read above. Characters can still get Resistance even if they got damage. At long as the attack doesn't incap or kills them, then it should count as Resistance. That's why we have wiki terms like, Minor or Limited. But, in my opinion it should be a straight up full Resistance and not limited.
 
I can name a thousand characters who survived being hit with electricity, fire, ice and other elements that would have killed a normal human, but instead just took a variable degree of damage and kept living.
We don't give resistances to characters who just survive, not even minor, they need to actively show a resistance and no, I don't think resistance has to be immunity, I think I know what the term means.

Otherwise, you can open the Electricity Users category page and give resistance to all characters that weren't straight up killed or incapped by their attacks.
 
Surving=/=Resistance

Being unaffected=Resistance

Does that look like being unaffected by the electricity to you?

Hax is a different manner. Hax by it's nature ignores any defences the target has to enact it's effect, so to even reduce the effectiveness of the Hax is to have some special resistance to said Hax.

Though reducing the effectiveness of the Hax but not being completely unaffected should probably only be Limited Resistance or something, but that isn't a relevant to here and would be going off topic.

I do have my own opinions on how we treat Immunity and Resistance, but like I said, off topic. This is how we treat it now and will be judged by said standards.
 
If someone takes less damage from electric attacks from someone compared to other attacks (like how in Pokémon type match-up works), then maybe resistance should be fine

That's not what happened with Goku. He took the full damage from the attack and just managed to survive. Even notmal humans are capable of this as some survived after being electrocuted or struck by lightning, and we don't give them resistance to electricity
 
ProudLearner said:
This the thing, a lot of characters in this wiki gets resistance for tanking hax with minor damage.

It seems to me that, Saman, thinks that Resistance is the same as Immunity from what I read above. Characters can still get Resistance even if they got damage. At long as the attack doesn't incap or kills them, then it should count as Resistance. That's why we have wiki terms like, Minor or Limited. But, in my opinion it should be a straight up full Resistance and not limited.
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resistance to electricity should merely be negging the effects of electrocution on the body such as shock paralysis, etc.

surviving doesn't count.

EDIT: Damn i slept off typing this
 
Saman and Everything seem to make sense above.
 
I will unlock the page for you. Tell me here when you are done.
 
ProudLearner said:
I'll be doing Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z) when I get the time. A lot of Dragon Ball character pages are outdated and missing scans.
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Thank you for helping out. Should I unlock this page now as well?
 
Okay. Tell me here when you are done, and if you need other pages unlocked as well.
 
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