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Yes, this is like the 4th AP thread this month.
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Aang also deflected a fire blast that mostly pulverized an ice cliff. Even averaging the two ends of this calculation (which I feel is more than fair) gets 150.5 tons of TNT (8-A). But, Aang was using his glider, which is a moderate amp (judging by his fights with Zuko, anyway).
My suggestion is that we should just scale Book 1 Aang to 8-A rather than having any sort of possibly rating. 0.435 kilotons isn't exactly consistent if you place Book 1 in a vacuum, but it's consistent with Book 2 and 3 feats, which would simply suggest that Aang didn't get like 90 times stronger through the course of one season.
Which brings me to my next point.
The progress of Aang on the profiles doesn't make all that much sense. Aang was nearly killed by Azula at the end of Book 2, awoke at the start of Book 3, and spent most of the time between his full recovery and his encounter with Combustion Man (episode 2-5 respectively) blending into Fire Nation society rather than practicing new elements, so he wouldn't be much more powerful at the turn of the season. Additionally, The Puppetmaster presents Aang as inferior to Katara and Hama in terms of Waterbending, when he's seen combatting Ozai with Waterbending during Sozin's Comet.
Rather than Book 1 | Book 2 | Book 3, I think it should go Book 1/Book 2 | Late Book 2 | Post-Dancing Dragon Mastery.
Book 1 would scale to 8-A with Airbending, with comparable or superior Waterbending power, Mid-Book 2 Aang is Low 7-C via Combustion Man scaling, and Post-Dancing Dragon Mastery roughly scales to Ozai.
This is also more consistent with Aang and Katara's increasing displays of power against Azula. But I'm open to suggestions.
Maybe there are some statements that these characters are superior to Toph, but I sure as hell can't find them. So I assume it's because they're (barring Aang) much older and would've had more training, or something.
If that's the case, then Toph isn't some kid who will grow out her potential beyond adults at some point in the future. She's objectively one of the best and most skilled Earthbenders in the world alongside Bumi, which is due to unique circumstances (her blindness and learning directly from the original Earthbenders). The fact that she's even equal to Bumi, who's 112 years old, is a testament to the fact that age isn't a factor in scaling for Toph.
Also, Amon is also scaled above Toph, but that makes no sense when Toph has no Waterbending ability to counter Bloodbending.
We should do the same with Aang's sand blast calculations. No offence to Dalesan and Shmeaty, but I propose that we just go with Shmeaty's calculation and don't have it on the profile, or regulate it to a supporting feat.
It is possible it's beyond the horizon, yes, but I'm fairly sure we need hard evidence for the calculations themselves, and the evidence that this extended beyond the horizon is far too limited and could work just as easily without this being beyond the horizon.
Katara would scale above this, since she strikes Iroh as the most powerful bender of the age, and was confident that she could defeat Sozin's Azula alongside Zuko despite her normally being a much better fighter.
On that last note, I've also done an accepted 0.45 kiloton calculation for Katara in Book 3 episode 1.
Obviously this doesn't make any sense, so here's my ideas.
Unlike Aang, Korra is a prodigy who already learned most of the elements as a kid and mastered the physical side of those ones when she was 17. Katara refers to her as strong in the first episode, and she faces some of the most powerful benders on the planet throughout the series.
While I dunked on Amon scaling to Toph, he should be superior to Yakone Bloodbending Adult Aang since Katara could break out of Hama's Bloodbending via raw Waterbending ability (not even Bloodbending, since she only chooses to use that later). Additionally, Bloodbending is almost exclusively a power that requires the boost of the full moon for high level, while Tarrlok, Amon and Yakone could do it at any time, which suggests a superiority to virtually every Avatar Waterbender.
Korra was able to break out of Amon's Bloodbending without the Avatar State and fight on par with Tarrlock before he used Bloodbending (presumably, she couldn't break out at the time).
By book 3, Mako and Bolin could mount a somewhat decent defence against the Red Lotus, whom Zuko praises as being capable of defeating any Bender, after getting used to their whacky abilities.
Firebenders are more powerful around heat sources in general, and at their strongest near the equator during Summer, but they're weaker overall at night, during full moons and when it's raining.
Waterbenders, obviously, are stronger at night and peak during the full moon. But Winter time and being in their homelands (the North and South Pole) also boosts their abilities.
Earthbenders are strongest in Spring.
Finally, Airbenders are strongest during Autumn.
This really only changes the context of Full Moon Katara being able to stomp Zuko effortlessly in the North Pole.
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Aang's Lava Cooling and Key Arrangement
As we established here, the feat was a continuous effort that took place over ~3 seconds. Therefore, its value drops from 1.3 kilotons (Low 7-C) to a more reasonable 0.435 kilotons (8-A).Aang also deflected a fire blast that mostly pulverized an ice cliff. Even averaging the two ends of this calculation (which I feel is more than fair) gets 150.5 tons of TNT (8-A). But, Aang was using his glider, which is a moderate amp (judging by his fights with Zuko, anyway).
My suggestion is that we should just scale Book 1 Aang to 8-A rather than having any sort of possibly rating. 0.435 kilotons isn't exactly consistent if you place Book 1 in a vacuum, but it's consistent with Book 2 and 3 feats, which would simply suggest that Aang didn't get like 90 times stronger through the course of one season.
Which brings me to my next point.
The progress of Aang on the profiles doesn't make all that much sense. Aang was nearly killed by Azula at the end of Book 2, awoke at the start of Book 3, and spent most of the time between his full recovery and his encounter with Combustion Man (episode 2-5 respectively) blending into Fire Nation society rather than practicing new elements, so he wouldn't be much more powerful at the turn of the season. Additionally, The Puppetmaster presents Aang as inferior to Katara and Hama in terms of Waterbending, when he's seen combatting Ozai with Waterbending during Sozin's Comet.
Rather than Book 1 | Book 2 | Book 3, I think it should go Book 1/Book 2 | Late Book 2 | Post-Dancing Dragon Mastery.
Book 1 would scale to 8-A with Airbending, with comparable or superior Waterbending power, Mid-Book 2 Aang is Low 7-C via Combustion Man scaling, and Post-Dancing Dragon Mastery roughly scales to Ozai.
This is also more consistent with Aang and Katara's increasing displays of power against Azula. But I'm open to suggestions.
Some Combustion Man Scaling
Rather than scaling to Book 3 Zuko and Azula, we can just scale Ozai directly to Combustion Man's Low 7-C calc since the extras call Ozai the most powerful firebender in the world, if not all history (probably barring Dragons). Iroh should similarly scale above Combustion Man, especially by virtue of the fact that Fire Lords are supposed to be the most powerful Firebenders, and Iroh was the crowned prince in Azulon's twilight years.Toph and Bumi Scaling
Too many characters scale to Toph for no reason. This includes Roku (who has an accepted feat that's almost 2 kilotons, anyway), Lin, Korra and Kyoshi. In fact, I'd also add Book 2 Aang to the lot.Maybe there are some statements that these characters are superior to Toph, but I sure as hell can't find them. So I assume it's because they're (barring Aang) much older and would've had more training, or something.
If that's the case, then Toph isn't some kid who will grow out her potential beyond adults at some point in the future. She's objectively one of the best and most skilled Earthbenders in the world alongside Bumi, which is due to unique circumstances (her blindness and learning directly from the original Earthbenders). The fact that she's even equal to Bumi, who's 112 years old, is a testament to the fact that age isn't a factor in scaling for Toph.
Also, Amon is also scaled above Toph, but that makes no sense when Toph has no Waterbending ability to counter Bloodbending.
The Low-Ends
Pretty much no profile has the low-end and high-ends/different calculations as possibility ratings unless there's some sort of extenuating circumstances. In Toph's case, the low-end was accepted, and it's more consistent with our current ratings/the ratings I'm proposing here.We should do the same with Aang's sand blast calculations. No offence to Dalesan and Shmeaty, but I propose that we just go with Shmeaty's calculation and don't have it on the profile, or regulate it to a supporting feat.
It is possible it's beyond the horizon, yes, but I'm fairly sure we need hard evidence for the calculations themselves, and the evidence that this extended beyond the horizon is far too limited and could work just as easily without this being beyond the horizon.
Sozin's Comet
I've done a baseline Small Town level for fodder during Sozin's Comet, which is consistent with Sozin's claim that army Firebenders are boosted far beyond the likes of Season 1 Aang.- Roku: One hundred years ago, Fire Lord Sozin used that comet to begin the War. He and his firebending army harnessed its incredible power, and dealt a deadly first strike against the other nations.
- Aang: So the comet made them stronger?
- Roku: Yes. Stronger than you could even imagine.
Katara would scale above this, since she strikes Iroh as the most powerful bender of the age, and was confident that she could defeat Sozin's Azula alongside Zuko despite her normally being a much better fighter.
On that last note, I've also done an accepted 0.45 kiloton calculation for Katara in Book 3 episode 1.
Amplified Waterbending
Unlike the Avatar State, amplification from the Full Moon and Sozin's comet isn't a consistent transformation of sorts, they simply have access to greater power during these astronomical events. They're also scalar to the strength of the user (i.e, Book 3 Katara during the Full Moon > Book 1 Katara during the Full Moon). Since the Full Moon occurs once a month, it shouldn't be a separate key entirely.Legend of Korra Scaling
Korra is Building level+ because she scales to Mako and Bolin, while Unalaq is City Block level because he's stronger than base Korra. Bolin has Large Building level via a calculation, and Mako is Building level+ because he can bend lightning.Obviously this doesn't make any sense, so here's my ideas.
Unlike Aang, Korra is a prodigy who already learned most of the elements as a kid and mastered the physical side of those ones when she was 17. Katara refers to her as strong in the first episode, and she faces some of the most powerful benders on the planet throughout the series.
While I dunked on Amon scaling to Toph, he should be superior to Yakone Bloodbending Adult Aang since Katara could break out of Hama's Bloodbending via raw Waterbending ability (not even Bloodbending, since she only chooses to use that later). Additionally, Bloodbending is almost exclusively a power that requires the boost of the full moon for high level, while Tarrlok, Amon and Yakone could do it at any time, which suggests a superiority to virtually every Avatar Waterbender.
Korra was able to break out of Amon's Bloodbending without the Avatar State and fight on par with Tarrlock before he used Bloodbending (presumably, she couldn't break out at the time).
By book 3, Mako and Bolin could mount a somewhat decent defence against the Red Lotus, whom Zuko praises as being capable of defeating any Bender, after getting used to their whacky abilities.
- Zuko: No! This can't be. Do you have any idea the power these criminals possess? Individually, they can take down any bender. Put them all together, they could take down the entire world. And now you're telling me that their leader is an airbender?
Minor Bending Changes
This doesn't affect much, since it's either already on the profiles or shown to change little in the series.Firebenders are more powerful around heat sources in general, and at their strongest near the equator during Summer, but they're weaker overall at night, during full moons and when it's raining.
Waterbenders, obviously, are stronger at night and peak during the full moon. But Winter time and being in their homelands (the North and South Pole) also boosts their abilities.
Earthbenders are strongest in Spring.
Finally, Airbenders are strongest during Autumn.
This really only changes the context of Full Moon Katara being able to stomp Zuko effortlessly in the North Pole.
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