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Iceman Full Potential Upgrade
This thread kind of died, so I'm redoing it here.After absorbing a flake of the Black Winter, Terrax's power was boosted massively to the point of casually wrecking the Avengers/Silver Surfer, and he implied that he would kill at least the universe.
Iceman taps into more power than ever before (but not some sort of cap on his full strength, as there is no upper limit) and produces temperatures that could freeze Terrax, seal the flake of Black Winter and halt part of space-time.
Obviously, freezing palace's worth space-time means nothing, but Iceman did surpass the Black Winter despite claiming they both have temperature manipulation powers.
I think At least 3-B or 2-C is reasonable.
Monica Rambeau Full Potential Upgrade (Accepted, but I'm saving this for later)
It's revealed that Photon was empowered by a Kree artefact that blurs the lines between realities. She broke the universe and was causing reality/dimensional walls to crumble and alternate realities to converge to the point where the universe eventually collapse. Starfox later claims that this was a multiversal problem.Starfox tapped into Photon's mind and suspended the anomalies. Monica then dissipated them.
This is constantly portrayed as a level of power she always had, but couldn't draw out.
The Beyonder (they weren't exactly the original, but that seems to be due to timeline shenanigans given the stuff about Owen Reece) even claims that her power almost rivals their own and was breaking down dimensional walls. In Defenders: Beyond (an earlier comic), it's stated that The Beyonder was incubating in a womb space when Owen Reece poked a hole in it, which would suggest that this is a variation of The Beyonder created by the timeline that Monica created where Secret Wars never happened.
So, easy 2-A for Monica Rambeau.
Celestials and M-Bodies
In X-Termination, AU Beast says that Celestials across the multiverse are universal aspects of a singular being. Notably, aspect is often used when denoting fragments of Eternity and Infinity.Since there was a unified cosmos before the Second Cosmos, this means the weaponry that shattered the First Firmament and technology that created The Beyonders (The Beyonders stuff has been retconned, but is getting unretconned) were actually made by the multiversal bodies of the Celestials.
Idk what they should have for these main bodies (maybe we can scale them to Multiversal Abstracts?), but they should have 1-A via preparation.
M-Bodies
And, on this note, that brings me to the topic of M-Bodies.The term used for Eternity's universal bodies isn't 'manifestation bodies' (outside the handbook, anyway), it's cells, aspects, fragments or visualisations. Manifestation bodies in Quasar are merely presented as different manifestations of Universal Abstracts at different moments of subjective time, hence that entire scan where Quasar notes that 616 Infinity is a different M-Body to the 616 Infinity that he met during the whole Maelstrom fight.
There's absolutely no indication or logic behind the notion that Eternity or Infinity, who literally are the universes that they embody, have to go and get Manifestations in order to exist in the universe that they encompass.
Technically, though, you're seeing an M-Body whenever Universal Eternity is on-screen. So, yes, I am splitting hairs here, but literally all we have to do is change M-Body to Universal in the profile's keys to be slightly more accurate. What'd be even more accurate is if we changed the descriptions of everyone who's on par with Universal Abstracts to M-Bodies, but that's even more stupid, redundant and annoying than what I'm suggesting here.
Removing Earth-1298 Beyonder's key
This is actually referring to the fact that 'The Beyonder' was was going to access the Nexus of Realities and **** everything up.Also, it wasn't even The Beyonder. The Beyonder of this universe died, so the Goblin Queen (who had enough power to kill its universe's Phoenix Force and Galactus) took his shell and used it to boost her power.
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