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This thread will cover general downgrades.
Honkai's energy EE:
Honkai energy users have the following EE justification: "Quantum fluctuation is capable of denying or subjecting one's ontology, can disperse away one's existence which require a formation on body to mentality level to materialize/intact and send them into the void"
While “losing my physical form” implies some kind of EE, in the same set of scans, Schrondinger gives us more context and tells us that she was transformed as a quantum entity (Transmutation), the void part of the justification is just BFR, I think since they can teleport someone to a place that naturally has existence erasure, maybe EE can stay through BFR, but the actual justification implies that they can erase someone without needing BFR, so it needs to changed to reflect that.
Herrscher immunity to soul manipulation:
"A Herrschers soul is fused with their original core thus they lack it"
Apart from the fact that the last two scans have no translation at all, and the third one has no known source, at least the first one looks promising, but there is context behind it and as you can see, Fu Hua's body doesn't lack a soul because some standard physiology and something like that, but rather decided to transfer her mind to the feathers and thus leaving her body an empty shell.
Some stuff about the cosmo:
I have some problems with current cosmology and I'll make it simple, currently we have “leaves” as low 2-C to 2-A via MWI/Infinite timeline branching, and possibly 11-D via inheriting it from the Ether Anchor, my problem is with the last one.
As you can see, “leaves” become “bubbles” when they fall into the Sea of Quanta, and there they have their choice of inheritance of dimensions there.
There are two problems though, the first one is that they only inherit it in the Sea of Quanta (That is, after they fell into it) and not before it, other thing is that leaves are quite literally stated to be only 4-D while not in the Sea of Quanta, so y'know.
I also have problems with the 1-A to 1-A+ bits, which I'll address below:
Currently, Honkai's 1-A rating come from the Sea of Quanta, rated to be 1-A due to being a conceptual void... as you can see conceptual/void realms no longer qualify for BDE as default, therefore its reasoning is no longer valid. The Sea of Quanta is also stated to be 11 dimensional, in the sense of having 10 spatial and 1 time dimensions, which is consistent with it not being a part of the 4-D space, given it is just a higher-dimensional space where bubbles are embedded in.
Another 1-A currently being used is Ryusuke, he has a feat of "reality > fiction" reading his scan, this pretty much a dimensional difference, which doesn't really qualify for 1-A, even Welt's defeating him was using dimensional hax, so yeah..
The 1-A+ comes from this thread, where the main evidence is an existence of an upwards infinite hierarchy of reality > fiction (There are more scans in the thread, but these are the main ones) one major problem with that though, Project Stigma (The hierarchy) is stated to be a higher-dimension, which as seen in the Ryusuke section... it is how the verse describes higher-dimensions. With that, if Project Stigma will cap at High 1-B, with the verse as a whole (Aside from Yog's true form) capping at Low 1-A due to statements of cardinality and transceding all dimensions, the tier they were before the 1-A upgrades.
Anyways, the TLDR: Leaves are losing their possibly High 1-C rating, 1-A and up is based on voids is no longer valid, and even if they were, there are statements against it, anyone who is 1-A gets downgraded to High 1-C (Scaling from SoQ/Ether Anchor/SoE) and anyone who is 1-A+ gets downgraded to Low 1-A (Scaling from Imaginary Space/Tree)
Agree: @Eseseso, @AyOgUyS, @Woomica, @Voidnether, @Enryu_The_Red_Tower , @DrakerX, @Emirp sumitpo, @Antvasima, @SweetDao , @TheGreatJedi13, @Hasty12345, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Dark_Soul20189, @Shiraito983, @Weaver261, @Elizhaa
Neutral:
Disagree:
Honkai's energy EE:
Honkai energy users have the following EE justification: "Quantum fluctuation is capable of denying or subjecting one's ontology, can disperse away one's existence which require a formation on body to mentality level to materialize/intact and send them into the void"
While “losing my physical form” implies some kind of EE, in the same set of scans, Schrondinger gives us more context and tells us that she was transformed as a quantum entity (Transmutation), the void part of the justification is just BFR, I think since they can teleport someone to a place that naturally has existence erasure, maybe EE can stay through BFR, but the actual justification implies that they can erase someone without needing BFR, so it needs to changed to reflect that.
Herrscher immunity to soul manipulation:
"A Herrschers soul is fused with their original core thus they lack it"
Apart from the fact that the last two scans have no translation at all, and the third one has no known source, at least the first one looks promising, but there is context behind it and as you can see, Fu Hua's body doesn't lack a soul because some standard physiology and something like that, but rather decided to transfer her mind to the feathers and thus leaving her body an empty shell.
Some stuff about the cosmo:
I have some problems with current cosmology and I'll make it simple, currently we have “leaves” as low 2-C to 2-A via MWI/Infinite timeline branching, and possibly 11-D via inheriting it from the Ether Anchor, my problem is with the last one.
As you can see, “leaves” become “bubbles” when they fall into the Sea of Quanta, and there they have their choice of inheritance of dimensions there.
There are two problems though, the first one is that they only inherit it in the Sea of Quanta (That is, after they fell into it) and not before it, other thing is that leaves are quite literally stated to be only 4-D while not in the Sea of Quanta, so y'know.
I also have problems with the 1-A to 1-A+ bits, which I'll address below:
Currently, Honkai's 1-A rating come from the Sea of Quanta, rated to be 1-A due to being a conceptual void... as you can see conceptual/void realms no longer qualify for BDE as default, therefore its reasoning is no longer valid. The Sea of Quanta is also stated to be 11 dimensional, in the sense of having 10 spatial and 1 time dimensions, which is consistent with it not being a part of the 4-D space, given it is just a higher-dimensional space where bubbles are embedded in.
Another 1-A currently being used is Ryusuke, he has a feat of "reality > fiction" reading his scan, this pretty much a dimensional difference, which doesn't really qualify for 1-A, even Welt's defeating him was using dimensional hax, so yeah..
The 1-A+ comes from this thread, where the main evidence is an existence of an upwards infinite hierarchy of reality > fiction (There are more scans in the thread, but these are the main ones) one major problem with that though, Project Stigma (The hierarchy) is stated to be a higher-dimension, which as seen in the Ryusuke section... it is how the verse describes higher-dimensions. With that, if Project Stigma will cap at High 1-B, with the verse as a whole (Aside from Yog's true form) capping at Low 1-A due to statements of cardinality and transceding all dimensions, the tier they were before the 1-A upgrades.
Anyways, the TLDR: Leaves are losing their possibly High 1-C rating, 1-A and up is based on voids is no longer valid, and even if they were, there are statements against it, anyone who is 1-A gets downgraded to High 1-C (Scaling from SoQ/Ether Anchor/SoE) and anyone who is 1-A+ gets downgraded to Low 1-A (Scaling from Imaginary Space/Tree)
Agree: @Eseseso, @AyOgUyS, @Woomica, @Voidnether, @Enryu_The_Red_Tower , @DrakerX, @Emirp sumitpo, @Antvasima, @SweetDao , @TheGreatJedi13, @Hasty12345, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Dark_Soul20189, @Shiraito983, @Weaver261, @Elizhaa
Neutral:
Disagree:
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