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what was the author thinking
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So....who can kill Anos now?
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Not this again
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Probably ways to prove venuzdonor and MEoCD is a bullshit power that doesn't care about logic.
Venuzdonor gains abilities, layers of negation, resistance simply by destroying reason
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Yeah but asking so many question in different threads from you are getting too far at this point
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Well at least he can't destroy the reasonless.
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Reason/logic in MG cannot be considered a duality (Or maybe yes? Idk), since order already is (Anos and Graham should also have layered TD due to the difference between layers the deeper the layer, the more incomparable the order becomes), and reason is far above order, the point with Venuz is that it can manipulate, alter, destroy reason and is unbound from any principle of reason, nothing that is reasonable or not applies, so it can destroy everything no matter if they are dualities, concepts, nonexistence, everything, blah, blah, blah, blah. The same applies to MEoCD, and both Anos' source and Graham's true nature are above dualities and lacks, unbound and beyond reason. And if we take into account what DT said some time ago that TD is a power that is based on logic and some possible applications could be to make something/someone Transdual and we take into account how logic/reason works in MG, then we would have something like
Order (Laws, Concepts, Dualities)<<<<Reason/Logic<<<<<Venuz, MEoCD, Anos, Graham. That's why manipulating reason sounds NLF-ish asfk.
More feats of manipulating reason/logic in the verse may show up, we can only wait.
Order (Laws, Concepts, Dualities)<<<<Reason/Logic<<<<<Venuz, MEoCD, Anos, Graham. That's why manipulating reason sounds NLF-ish asfk.
More feats of manipulating reason/logic in the verse may show up, we can only wait.
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He can actually. Graham's true form (NEP 2&3) was a nothingness that was devoid of order, reason and logic altogether, still venuzdonor was able to completely destroy him each time he became nothingness that was even more impossible to affect.
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Unfortunately, there's no reason or logic manipulation on the wiki.
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If u love him u are gay.
Well, I suppose that looking at Anos eyes excites you.
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And then you wake up
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Child's play
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How?
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I think he is just being sarcastic tbh
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Here's Wukong NEP chain:
Nonexistence in Non-Nonexistence (Everything existent in JTTW contains nonexistence.) < Void/Nonexistence/Nonexistent Spirits (Basic nonexistence.) < Transcendent Monks (Transduality Nonexistence) < Void of Void (Recursion of nonexistence within nonexistence (infinite) ) < Bodhisattva Emptiness/first stop (Every Bodihssatva is Nonexistent by nature and goes through ten stages while approaching true emptiness each superior to the last on each stage. Still has Transdual NEP as well.) < 2nd stop < 3rd stop < 4th stop < 5th stop < 6th stop < 7th stop < 8th stop < 9th stop < 10th stop < Buddha Emptiness/Great Void (True Emptiness beyond the false nonexistence of what came before it and everything existent and nonexistent.) < Dharmakaya (Existing beyond the state of True Emptiness as the only Real Void/Formless thing, nondual superior to transduality.)
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What is this compared to a NEP chain that goes on till ad infinitum?
Destroy graham and he becomes nothing with a concept of nothingness.
Destroy his concept of nothingness and he becomes a true nothingness that is completely devoid of any order, reason or logic (his true form).
Destroy his true form and he becomes a deeper true nothingness that's is even more impossible to affect than the previous one.
Destroy this as well and it becomes a deeper true nothingness that's even more impossible to affect than the degree of the previous one and this goes on till ad infinitum.
Anos says he's able to keep destroying him with venuzdonor no matter how devoid of reason or logic, impossible to affect it is but venuzdonor has a time limit so he absorbs him into his source to destroy him forever with it.
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It's more impressive because there's more than infinite layers of nonexistence if you read the scaling chain correctly.
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yeah caliborn is a strong char too,.. but can he interact with nep 2,acau 2,trandual 2 ?
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Why he look like that LMFAO
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Transduality type 2 is tied to dimmensionnal level
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only cause she is 1-A. If anos was 1-A no way in hell she could kill him
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Well wouldn't change much as td3 of shiki is like infinity layered bcz how [] work and will probably become type 4 if i make a crt
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She could too? He litteraly have nothing that she can't do or can't bypass lol
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what are the arguments for infinitely layered transduality/type 4? I am actually interested in this.
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Same case with Graham's nonexistent and transdual nature, even infinitely impossible to affect can become. Only Anos' source, MEoCD and Venuzdonoa can destroy it no matter how impossible to affect it becomes. And furthermore TD is still a power that is based on logic (DT's words) and whoever manipulates the logic (Anos, Venuz, MEoCD) can manipulate and destroy such transduality. That is what happens in the verse, yet such transdual nature is unbound from the same logic and yet can be destroyed by Anos, Venuz, MEoCD who have no logic. So a TD that is governed by logic and one that is not governed by logic are not the same. Everything would change if she got the Type 4 tho.
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[] Is more transdual than every incarnation that people think of it (and each different thinking create a different incarnation)+ negative theology. + Type 4 is bcz plurality exist in the verse and bcz negative theologie than [] incarne
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Pretty sure is not the same and, the transduality and nep of [] with negative theology is to the point that even ultima believe it should be tier 0 bcz of it
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Ah i see, so a statement that says "This character cannot be described " is enough for infinite layered transduality type 4 in vsb.
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It's not only that and you know it, you really like to have a prob with fate.
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Until it's TD 4 or Tier 0 stuff, we still have infinite vs infinite here and one of those infinities is above the logic that governs TD. What's more, what are we arguing about? It is still not accepted that TD is not limited to tiers anymore nor have I upgraded TD from MGnF to Type 3. If you will excuse me I have to go check a CRT.
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what else then? And hey, i like to have my own stance at things.
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Not really you infinite in first is in first technicaly not even infinite(he just can make himself infinitely up like that) when my point is that even the miniature root created by chinese god who is transdual type 3 is being transcended and encompassed by the type 3(for now) of []
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I mean not like you are the one to have begin this discussion.
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Did that happen in FGO JP?
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