Sniper monkey discovers what jarate is made of(GRACE11)

[JustANormalLemon]

SNIPER MONKEY(BTD6) vs SNIPER(TF2)

RULES:

• Speed is equalized
• 9-A for both, sniper first key and monkey Deadly Precision Path(If It's too much one sided, Supply drop or base sniper monkey will be used)
• Stock sniper exept that he has Cozy Camper and has a Jarate bottle
• Magic, Power ups and upgrades are Restrict for Sniper
• Battle takes place at the Harvest map, bBoth start at the other team spaw point, so no line of sight

BANANA: 7(Qawsedf234, TheGatememer, Stillwinston, Peppersalt43, Acer__, Spinoirr, FarerPurple)

JARATE:

MAD MILK(incon):

 

[TheGatememer]

Upgrades can't be restricted for Sniper, those are his 2nd key abilities.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Now It's first key

 

[Stillwinston]

That monkey picture is pure gold ngl XD reminds me of timesplitters

 

[JustANormalLemon]

That monkey picture is pure gold ngl XD reminds me of timesplitters

Sure I guess, any opinion on the match?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Bump

 

[Knifeman29]

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Their kid

 

[Qawsedf234]

• Sniper = Scales to someone barely surviving a 0.007044 Ton Explosion
• Sniper Monkey = Scales to a 0.007772 Ton feat

So just about AP the chimp is 1.1x stronger.

So after that it becomes a game of how can hit who first

• Monkey's advantage: Cameoflague and is very small (this makes it much harder to find/hit and it doesn't lose anything from its size here)
• Sniper: Has better lifting strength

So in my view the main issue here is that Monkey Sniper seems like it can train and fire much faster than normal Sniper, who dies to a headshot from his own weapon meaning he can't take his own AP focused into a bullet.

So despite the memes monkey with gun wins imo

 

[JustANormalLemon]

• Sniper = Scales to someone barely surviving a 0.007044 Ton Explosion
• Sniper Monkey = Scales to a 0.007772 Ton feat

So just about AP the chimp is 1.1x stronger.

So after that it becomes a game of how can hit who first

• Monkey's advantage: Cameoflague and is very small (this makes it much harder to find/hit and it doesn't lose anything from its size here)
• Sniper: Has better lifting strength

So in my view the main issue here is that Monkey Sniper seems like it can train and fire much faster than normal Sniper, who dies to a headshot from his own weapon meaning he can't take his own AP focused into a bullet.

So despite the memes monkey with gun wins imo

This is deadly presision we are using, It don't have camoflage, trough the rest seens fair, counted

 

[TheGatememer]

Monke FRA

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Should I change to first key to be more balanced?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Should I change to first key to be more balanced?

Well it being the first key doesn't change any of the win cons.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Well it being the first key doesn't change any of the win cons.

Hum... What if I give sniper his upgrades?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Hum... What if I give sniper his upgrades?

I mean, the fight is fair on its own. Its just that I said that I see Sniper Monkey consistently winning more than losing. Sniper on his own has plenty of win conditions.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I mean, the fight is fair on its own. Its just that I said that I see Sniper Monkey consistently winning more than losing. Sniper on his own has plenty of win conditions.

Hum... Ok, just to be sure, what are his wincons?

 

[Qawsedf234]

what are his wincons?

Same as Sniper Monkey's. He just needs to hit first, its just harder for him to do so because the Sniper Monkey is small, agile and can shoot his gun quicker.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Same as Sniper Monkey's. He just needs to hit first, its just harder for him to do so because the Sniper Monkey is small, agile and can shoot his gun quicker.

Ok them, but just to remenber, sniper has regeneration here

 

[Qawsedf234]

Ok them, but just to remenber, sniper has regeneration here

While true, an important thing to consider is that even with the regen he dies to a headshot from something that scales to the same feat he does. Meaning the Monkey can replicate it.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

While true, an important thing to consider is that even with the regen he dies to a headshot from something that scales to the same feat he does. Meaning the Monkey can replicate it.

Would the monky aim for the head?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Would the monky aim for the head?

That relies to much on guessing.

But in my view its more about how quickly he can get off two shots compared to the sniper, since that will still take him down from my knowledge.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

That relies to much on guessing.

But in my view its more about how quickly he can get off two shots compared to the sniper, since that will still take him down from my knowledge.

Fair enough point

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Bump

 

[Stillwinston]

Badass Monkey Sniper FRA

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Counted

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Bump

 

[Peppersalt43]

Monke FRA

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Bump

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Mmmmm monkey fra

 

[Comiphorous]

sniper has homefield advantage, which means a lot in this fight. sniper knows where to go to be able to fight another sniper, and can easily out snipe another sniper.

That relies to much on guessing.

But in my view its more about how quickly he can get off two shots compared to the sniper, since that will still take him down from my knowledge.

if he gets shot he has 1.59 seconds to back away out of sightlines to regenerate, go back, try again. sniper monkey is not getting two shots in a row without sniper backing up.

Same as Sniper Monkey's. He just needs to hit first, its just harder for him to do so because the Sniper Monkey is small, agile and can shoot his gun quicker.

What. sniper shoots slightly faster... sniper monkey takes 1.59 seconds between shots sniper takes 1.5~ its almost redundant. We also going to ignore that the whole 'he's smaller and agile' means nothing when he can headshot someone who is small, fast and has better mobility than anyone in the series? yeah. that isn't an advantage.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

So should I count a vote for sniper?
and

sniper monkey takes 1.59 seconds between shots

This counting that this is thecnically a 3-2-2 crosspath?

 

[Comiphorous]

This counting that this is thecnically a 3-2-2 crosspath?

anyone feel free to correct me, but i believe so.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

anyone feel free to correct me, but i believe so.

Hum... were did you find that number?

 

[Comiphorous]

Hum... were did you find that number?

source: trust me bro

bloons TD wiki. unsure if its official or not. though it seems accurate. (probably shouldn't trust my judgment on something like that, since never played the games which is why I asked anyone to correct me)

edit: now thinking about it why the **** is there a bloons TD wiki?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

source: trust me bro

bloons TD wiki. unsure if its official or not. though it seems accurate. (probably shouldn't trust my judgment on something like that, since never played the games which is why I asked anyone to correct me)

edit: now thinking about it why the **** is there a bloons TD wiki?

Why wouldn't have?

And no, the 1.59 is just for the 0-0-0 sniper monkey, thanks to the 0-0-2 crosspath It will shoot much faster

 

[Comiphorous]

Why wouldn't have?

And no, the 1.59 is just for the 0-0-0 sniper monkey, thanks to the 0-0-2 crosspath It will shoot much faster

ah alright cool, still doesn't change theres a time period where;

sniper can walk away, and regenerate.

go somewhere else. he knows where he is, the monkey doesn't. sniper could literally be anywhere on the damn map to snipe the damn monkey. he knows the maps in and outs and use that to his advantage. there's enough flank points and choke points where he could sneak up or just generally **** with the mind of his enemy.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

ah alright cool, still doesn't change theres a time period where;

Well, 0-0-1 Reduces that time 30%, 0-0-2 reduces this timer more 30%

sniper can walk away, and regenerate.

go somewhere else. he knows where he is, the monkey doesn't. sniper could literally be anywhere on the damn map to snipe the damn monkey. he knows the maps in and outs and use that to his advantage. there's enough flank points and choke points where he could sneak up or just generally **** with the mind of his enemy.

Monkey could follow him with his aim, not to mention that a prenciale tail and being a monkey would make him have a easyer time accesing some points of the map

Just conter arguin here, I'm glady someone is arguin in sniper favor

 

[Qawsedf234]

if he gets shot he has 1.59 seconds to back away out of sightlines to regenerate, go back, try again

From memory the two 30% shoot cool downs means that Sniper Monkey can get more than just that off in 1.59 seconds.

 

[FRIMI]

ah alright cool, still doesn't change theres a time period where;

sniper can walk away, and regenerate.

go somewhere else. he knows where he is, the monkey doesn't. sniper could literally be anywhere on the damn map to snipe the damn monkey. he knows the maps in and outs and use that to his advantage. there's enough flank points and choke points where he could sneak up or just generally **** with the mind of his enemy.

ingame the bloons can hide from sniper as long as they're behind full cover however the moment even slightly part of them isn't obscured sniper monkey can fire again. All monkeys can canonically sense when an enemy is in range and exactly where it is; you can't successfully flank a monkey if you're in range (except a dartling gunner), but specifically snipers can actually sense targets outside the small "range" it has. (also if we're counting bloons pop to be canon which I think we are then sniper monkey can also ricochet shots to hit behind cover but imo the bloons pop sniper should have its own key or even separate profile since it's so different)

Also, sniper monkey doesn't have any delay on the first shot. With the rifle fully ready fire, the monkey can consistently get a direct hit on a target within a fraction of a second of being summoned onto the field

 

[JustANormalLemon]

From memory the two 30% shoot cool downs means that Sniper Monkey can get more than just that off in 1.59 seconds.

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ingame the bloons can hide from sniper as long as they're behind full cover however the moment even slightly part of them isn't obscured sniper monkey can fire again. All monkeys can canonically sense when an enemy is in range and exactly where it is; you can't successfully flank a monkey if you're in range (except a dartling gunner), but specifically snipers can actually sense targets outside the small "range" it has. (also if we're counting bloons pop to be canon which I think we are then sniper monkey can also ricochet shots to hit behind cover but imo the bloons pop sniper should have its own key or even separate profile since it's so different)

Also, sniper monkey doesn't have any delay on the first shot. With the rifle fully ready fire, the monkey can consistently get a direct hit on a target within a fraction of a second of being summoned onto the field

We are using a 3-2-2 sniper monkey thanks to how his keys work here, bouncing bullet would be a 2-3-2