Snake boi tries to avenge his girl - Raven vs Mitsuki

[noninho]

Rachel Roth has just defeated a ninja girl in a not so hard fight, but her friend, Mitsuki, decided to jump in after seeing her laying down on the ground...and as he sees his friend completely incapacitaded and this girl standing up, there's not much space for talking, just for trying to help Sarada. As Mitsuki respects how powerful Sarada is and sees no major damages in this girl's body or clothes, he enters his sage mode and engage on the fight

Speed is equal
White Raven is restricted, Mitsuki is in his second key and starts on his Sage Mode

Lil Rae-Rae -

Orochimaru's Son -

Incon-

 

[Nierre]

Mitsuki can't hold Sage Mode for long or it breaks down his body

 

[noninho]

Mitsuki can't hold Sage Mode for long or it breaks down his body

As they're both Relativistic in speed, if he can hold it for 10 minutes is a LOT of fighting. 5 minutes is still a ton.

 

[Nierre]

Either way, Mitsuki needs to end the battle quickly or he'll start declining in performance. His fights in SM don't last long at all because he usually runs away with it, he loses, gets interrupted or he gets a rare win (offscreen against Shino). If he takes "enough" damage, he'll revert to base like he did against Ku.

If he uses full power (Relativistic/7-C), then he'll only decline faster, because the more power he uses, the quicker his decline.

His profile is still a bit outdated so its not explained well on his profile at all

 

[noninho]

Either way, Mitsuki needs to end the battle quickly or he'll start declining in performance. His fights in SM don't last long at all because he usually runs away with it, he loses, gets interrupted or he gets a rare win (offscreen against Shino). If he takes "enough" damage, he'll revert to base like he did against Ku.

If he uses full power (Relativistic/7-C), then he'll only decline faster, because the more power he uses, the quicker his decline.

His profile is still a bit outdated so its not explained well on his profile at all

considering that Raven's instawin is her TK (Class T vs Class M) but she doesnt use it innitially, trying to fly and use other magic to get the win, how does Mitsuki start?

 

[Nierre]

considering that Raven's instawin is her TK (Class T vs Class M) but she doesnt use it innitially, trying to fly and use other magic to get the win, how does Mitsuki start?

h2h if close range, if long range he'll either turn his arms into snakes to try and grab and restrain the opponent, or shoot lightning

 

[noninho]

h2h if close range, if long range he'll either turn his arms into snakes to try and grab and restrain the opponent, or shoot lightning

As they're long range i think it'll be Raiton
Whose answer would probably be Intangibility and her beams who may or may not explode on contact.
If this doesn't do the job,  then she may pull her Time Stop and/or TK, who are both instawins

 

[Nierre]

As they're long range i think it'll be Raiton
Whose answer would probably be Intangibility and her beams who may or may not explode on contact.
If this doesn't do the job,  then she may pull her Time Stop and/or TK, who are both instawins

What's the AP gap?

He also has access to Shunshin which is a blitz level amp as shown against Orochimaru. So he could attempt to do that and attack her from her blindside before she can react

 

[noninho]

What's the AP gap?

He also has access to Shunshin which is a blitz level amp as shown against Orochimaru. So he could attempt to do that and attack her from her blindside before she can react

She's intangible from all sides after the Raiton is used whose speed she can react to pretty fine, so even if he uses Shunshin, won't be doing much except get her to use her TS and/or TK.

3.7 kilotons vs 35.41 kilotons
9,57x AP Gap to Mitsuki's side

Even so, inclined towards Rae due to LS, TS and TK

 

[Nierre]

She's intangible from all sides after the Raiton is used whose speed she can react to pretty fine, so even if he uses Shunshin, won't be doing much except get her to use her TS and/or TK.

3.7 kilotons vs 35.41 kilotons
9,57x AP Gap to Mitsuki's side

Even so, inclined towards Rae due to LS, TS and TK

how often does she spam intang? because he's not going to go close range if he sees that she's untouchable. Can I see the intangibility being used? Same with Time Stop.

Also even if Rae TKs Mitsuki, he can use Substitution and turn into snakes which would definitely dupe Rae, allowing him to one shot her with various techniques, from under the ground or in the air or from afar.

 

[noninho]

Also even if Rae TKs Mitsuki, he can use Substitution and turn into snakes which would definitely dupe Rae, allowing him to one shot her with various techniques, from under the ground or in the air or from afar.

Not feasible due to the large gap of LS that would end him 100%. Every attack Raven does possess this effect, from her magical beams to her TK that usually is violently covering her enemy with rocks and crumble pieces

how often does she spam intang? because he's not going to go close range if he sees that she's untouchable. Can I see the intangibility being used? Same with Time Stop.

She uses it fairly. Not a spam but she uses it a lot as she's very good in battle strategization, always developing them together with Robin (and having an Intelligence higher than Mitsuki, who's also very smart, means a lot here)
This is Time Stop (very Za Warudo, ain't it? She used this without wanting, the first time, but later she got control over it)
and this is more or less how her Intangibility works (other than the magical beams, she can project her soul as a raven to attack or to cover her and whoever she wants to, which can either tp or make the person intangible, whatever she wishes to)

 

[Nierre]

Not feasible due to the large gap of LS that would end him 100%. Every attack Raven does possess this effect, from her magical beams to her TK that usually is violently covering her enemy with rocks and crumble pieces

"Afterimage Creation, Stealth Mastery, and Speed Enhancement (The Substitution Jutsu allows its user to instantly replace themselves with a nearby object such as a tree log, plant, person, or clone at the exact moment they are attacked. The Jutsu works even if the user is physically restrained or observed by characters as observant as Sharingan or Sage Mode users. This creates the optical illusion of the user being hit, which confuses the opponent and gives them an opening to flee or counterattack[1][2][3][4][5])"

She uses it fairly. Not a spam but she uses it a lot as she's very good in battle strategization, always developing them together with Robin (and having an Intelligence higher than Mitsuki, who's also very smart, means a lot here)
This is Time Stop (very Za Warudo, ain't it? She used this without wanting, the first time, but later she got control over it)
and this is more or less how her Intangibility works (other than the magical beams, she can project her soul as a raven to attack or to cover her and whoever she wants to, which can either tp or make the person intangible, whatever she wishes to)

I haven't a clue how skilled Raven is in battle but Mitsuki should be comparable if not smarter than Boruto at this point.

He can definitely get a Shunshin in before she pulls any of those off. The first thing he did to Orochimaru was to blitz him, before him or Log could even make a movement.

 

[noninho]

"Afterimage Creation, Stealth Mastery, and Speed Enhancement (The Substitution Jutsu allows its user to instantly replace themselves with a nearby object such as a tree log, plant, person, or clone at the exact moment they are attacked. The Jutsu works even if the user is physically restrained or observed by characters as observant as Sharingan or Sage Mode users. This creates the optical illusion of the user being hit, which confuses the opponent and gives them an opening to flee or counterattack[1][2][3][4][5])"

Don't think it would be of much use to press L2 (or LT) when every single attack of hers is doing the same

I haven't a clue how skilled Raven is in battle but Mitsuki should be comparable if not smarter than Boruto at this point.

He can definitely get a Shunshin in before she pulls any of those off. The first thing he did to Orochimaru was to blitz him, before him or Log could even make a movement.

I think Sarada is slightly smarter than both and even she lost. Also Rae is one tier above them

That blitzing may be due to outspeed from the start which Shunshin is only amplifying. When they start as equals and Rae is a way better strategist than him, the same ain't happening now, specially when if her attacks don't work 100% as intended, her back is immediately covered. If Rae's not the first one attacking, they're even more covered.
Also he is not reacting faster than her TS nor the Astral projection, no

It sums up as whoever hits first will be ending the other one completely. As Rae's 100% more experienced and strategic while also being very equal to him at the start, I'm at her side

 

[Nierre]

Don't think it would be of much use to press L2 (or LT) when every single attack of hers is doing the same

No idea what ur talking about here

I think Sarada is slightly smarter than both and even she lost. Also Rae is one tier above them

Sarada lost because she has a worse moveset.

That blitzing may be due to outspeed from the start which Shunshin is only amplifying. When they start as equals and Rae is a way better strategist than him, the same ain't happening now, specially when if her attacks don't work 100% as intended, her back is immediately covered. If Rae's not the first one attacking, they're even more covered.
Also he is not reacting faster than her TS nor the Astral projection, no

What?

Mitsuki starts out slower than Orochimaru and with Shunshin he outright blitzes the **** out of him. Raven has no reaction feats like that on her profile. With speed equalized, she gets statued harder here than he did against Orochimaru. As soon as the match starts she gets blitzed before she can even move a muscle

It sums up as whoever hits first will be ending the other one completely. As Rae's 100% more experienced and strategic while also being very equal to him at the start, I'm at her side

This makes 0 sense unless ur giving her prep time. How can she strategize against an opponent she's never seen before if she gets statued as soon as the match starts?

 

[noninho]

This makes 0 sense unless ur giving her prep time. How can she strategize against an opponent she's never seen before if she gets statued as soon as the match starts?

Using her experience with similar fast guys?

What?

Mitsuki starts out slower than Orochimaru and with Shunshin he outright blitzes the **** out of him. Raven has no reaction feats like that on her profile. With speed equalized, she gets statued harder here than he did against Orochimaru. As soon as the match starts she gets blitzed before she can even move a muscle

Hm. Guess I got this part wrong
What's our boi scaling to, speedwise, if I unequalize speed?

No idea what ur talking about here

It was a joke about Ultimate Ninja Storm

Sarada lost because she has a worse moveset.

Thought hers was as good as his lol

 

[Nierre]

Hm. Guess I got this part wrong
What's our boi scaling to, speedwise, if I unequalize speed?

It's not your fault. His profile is all ****** up so I don't blame you at all. It was something I realized as I was arguing.

The way his profile [SHOULD] works is that he has two "levels" of Sage Mode, one without the horn (Sage Mode) and one with the horn (Sage Transformation). Basically, because he has some of Juugo's DNA, he's able to access another version of Sage Mode which is Sage Transformation. He doesn't go for the latter unless he's bloodlusted or he feels like the opponent is strong enough to warrant using it. This key ur using for him should be something like this "MHS with MHS+ reactions, MHS+ with Sage Mode, far higher with Sage Transformation, Relativistic with Shunshin". Think of it like Sasuke's Curse Mark from Part 1 (or Part 2) (Mitsuki's AP is kinda messed up, it should be something like: At least City-Block level, up to Town level with Sage Mode, far higher with Sage Transformation).

So it's totally up to you where you want to start Mitsuki. Either Sage Mode or Sage Transformation is fine, but just know that if you start him in ST, his starting move is blitzing with Shunshin (as I said earlier, in this form he wants to end the match as soon as possible bc his body is breaking down, so he doesn't play around). With Sage Mode, he still has access to Shunshin (which inverse is usually a blitz anyway), but he doesn't start with Shunshin in this form.

Sorry for the confusion, if you have any other questions, let me know.

 

[noninho]

This key ur using for him should be something like this "MHS with MHS+ reactions, MHS+ with Sage Mode, far higher with Sage Transformation, Relativistic with Shunshin"

This is quite good for Rae, as they'd be equalized to MHS+ afaik, meaning Shunshin isn't as menacing as it was, as MHS+ is usually the border between MHS and Relativistic (this considering Mitsuki still starts as Sage Mode to keep them both at 7C on the start), so now it may not be as hard to react for Rae.

Unfortunately the problem of the insta kill is still there and I still think Rae wins there

With Sage Mode, he still has access to Shunshin (which inverse is usually a blitz anyway), but he doesn't start with Shunshin in this form.

Together with this, I really think Rae is winning here despite our boi having an impressive kit

 

[Nierre]

This is quite good for Rae, as they'd be equalized to MHS+ afaik, meaning Shunshin isn't as menacing as it was, as MHS+ is usually the border between MHS and Relativistic (this considering Mitsuki still starts as Sage Mode to keep them both at 7C on the start), so now it may not be as hard to react for Rae.

Unfortunately the problem of the insta kill is still there and I still think Rae wins there


Together with this, I really think Rae is winning here despite our boi having an impressive kit

Yeah, if you're starting him here in Sage Mode, rather than Sage Transformation. I can see Rae winning this.

Her wincons are incredibly solid and p much insta wins. I can't exactly see what Mitsuki's wincons are here since she has so many easy wincons that he can't counter

 

[noninho]

With ST is a stomp for Mitsuki, no?
Imma try to think of wincons for mitsuki in the matchup as it is or else is unfortunately a mismatch and imma try boruto

 

[Nierre]

With ST is a stomp for Mitsuki, no?

Yeah

Imma try to think of wincons for mitsuki in the matchup as it is or else is unfortunately a mismatch and imma try boruto

Gotcha, I wish I kept following the Sarada matchup, I think I got randomly unfollowed and was too busy to follow back up, but either way, don't think the result would've changed much.

Also Boruto is far less impressive than both of them, but we'll see once we get there

 

[noninho]

Gotcha, I wish I kept following the Sarada matchup, I think I got randomly unfollowed and was too busy to follow back up, but either way, don't think the result would've changed much.

Sad, I spent a ton bumping there, but I also think the result couldn't be much different

Also Boruto is far less impressive than both of them, but we'll see once we get there

Imma sort it out, maybe other Titan?

Yeah

F***.
Maybe Raiton and snakes are still a viable wincon for Mitsuki, just less likely than Rae's?

 

[Nierre]

Imma sort it out, maybe other Titan?

Preferably yeah

Maybe Raiton and snakes are still a viable wincon for Mitsuki, just less likely than Rae's?

Snakes not really? He just uses them to restrain or poison, well IG she has no resistance to poisons, but she also has forcefield creation so that kinda nulls it. Raiton is possible. If she creates a forcefield or shoots a beam to clash with it, he should comfortably overpower them.

How willingly is she to use her forcefields, rather than Intang or TS?

 

[noninho]

Snakes not really? He just uses them to restrain or poison, well IG she has no resistance to poisons, but she also has forcefield creation so that kinda nulls it. Raiton is possible. If she creates a forcefield or shoots a beam to clash with it, he should comfortably overpower them.

How willingly is she to use her forcefields, rather than Intang or TS?

She does this sometimes, yeah
Not rare at all for her to use forcefields