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He is an avatar of YHVH, though, much like Sabaoth, Shaddai, and Metatron. It'd be kind of a weird distinction.
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I agreed. I checked Baal profile and he is absurdly strong for a Deity. I think 2-C or At least 2-C is fine for nowJaakuace44 said:Baal is only Vile in MT1.
I would say Nyarly's tier is "at least 2-C" with the justification being that he's typically stronger than likes of Thor. Aside from that, it's uncertain.
EDIT: SMT Nyarly, not Persona Nyarly
I think this is fairDMB 1 said:Speaking of Tier 8s, I tried to propose this another time, but shouldn't most low tier demons be 8-C+ via being able to cast Zio, which is very similar to natural lighting?
I kind of got lost after the whole Lighting revisions, so the tier necessary to being able to tank them =/= the Tier necessary to be able to use them, and so on.
I think it should consistentUltima Reality said:Yeah, they should have roughly the same Range with spells, I just never got around to updating the profiles.
I will fix it. Her last key should 2-A instead of 2-b, because the 2-B key scale to the archagel who were 2-B but now are update 2-A.Jaakuace44 said:On an unrelated note: Pixie could use an update. Her regen's still listed as Mid-Godly, it seems.
I finished updating her profile. You could review it, Ultima Reality.Ultima Reality said:I am working on her profile now, so I could update it myself later.
Okay, thanks.Ultima Reality said:I will update some of it later, since the descriptions are still quite bare right now.
Shouldn't the range be hundread of meters too? I can fix Nanashi's Range stat.Jaakuace44 said:I've noticed range with spells isn't terribly consistent. For example, 8-C Nanashi gets hundreds of meters on his spells while 8-A Demi-fiend gets just tens of meters when realistically, they should be getting roughly the same amount of range. Nanashi's Range stat also doesn't account for all of his tiers.
Chaos Manipulation is a really weird ability to quantified. It is usually associated with beings causing disorders with the law of physics. It can add it though.Jaakuace44 said:Be sure to add Chaos Manipulation to Demi-fiend as well if you haven't (can't very well be King of Chaos if you aren't able to manipulate the concept in some fashion).
I added them as resistance to demons' abilities.Jaakuace44 said:To be fair, if you're going to add it to Neutral Hero and Aleph, it would stand to reason that Demi-fiend gets it too.
Sanat also has Chaos Manipulation listed on his page, so I figure it's only logical.
Rip, if this is the case. So, Kagutsuchi (Shin Megami Tensei)'s regen goes back to Mid-godly?Ultima Reality said:I don't think the Demi-Fiend can nullify the Demons' Regenerationn. Observation as a weaponized ability used to perma-kill them wasn't really a thing back in the times of Nocturne, and even in the Messiahs on the Diamond Realm DLC, Nanashi is portrayed as the only Messiah who can actively use his Observation.
64px | "The Mesopotamian god of death. He lives in the netherworld. Mot lured the storm god Baal and killed him, but was in turn killed by Baal's sister Anat." | |
~ —Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers Compendium |
64px | A Syrian goddess associated with love and sex. She's the sister and wife of the Canaanite deity Baal. She avenges her brother by killing Mot and bringing him back from the land of the dead. The continuous cycle signifies the changing of seasons. "The goddess of birth and death. She is Baal's sister and wife. It is said that even her father El in the heavens feared her power. She is known for bringing Baal back from the land of the dead by going there herself and defeating its ruler, Mot." | |
~ —Shin Megami Tensei IV Apocalypse compendium |
Leaving the regen/regen negation listed as 'Mid-Godly, possibly High-Godly' might a good solution. Aleph, Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor), Demi-Fiend were confident in the abilities in going to war against YHVH.Jaakuace44 said:Well, if that's how the cookie crumbles.
Leaving the regen/regen negation listed as 'Mid-Godly, possibly High-Godly' would make it so retroactive scaling on that matter wouldn't be such an issue. While weaponized Observation is seemingly exclusive to Nanashi, the concept was also only recently introduced in Apocalypse to begin with, meaning the older games can't very well account for it without major plotholes cropping up (why only one Messiah was able to use it to such an effect, for instance).
The app is more or less described as a demon summoning device. In "demon inquiry" and other events, Fumu described the summoning system to work similar to the "teleportation" terminal. The data part could be an allusion to the Administrators can control the world and view everything as data including its concepts from the Akashic Records.Ultima Reality said:I don't think the Demons summoned in DeSu2 are the real things, if I recall correctly, they are just materialized Data from the Akashic Records and are pretty much just Stands with no personality, save for a select few such as that group of Jack Frosts who mention the Demon World
We do have these for demons anyway:Jaakuace44 said:Demons in SMT are materialized data to begin with. DDS is a prime example of this. In SMT IV, they show up as huge blobs of garbled information.
If I recall directly, in Strange Journey Redux, there's a Dantalion in the Womb of Grief who describes himself as "little more than data derived from the Great Will."
I can go and try to grab the screenshot, but I believe I've made my point anyway.