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SMT Revisions 2.0

There are still revisions to be done, from what I can tell. I'd wait until the pages for each character is locked back up before closing it.
 
Jaakuace44 said:
There are still revisions to be done, from what I can tell. I'd wait until the pages for each character is locked back up before closing it.
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The pages are locked.
 
Many profile, most demons and similar beings like angels and gods , are missing Conceptual Manipulation scaling from weaker demons which should be Type 2, and resistance to it.

Likewise, their acausality would scale to weaker Demons' Acausality which is Type 4. So, their profile is outdated.

On Nanashi's profile: Demons are naturally born in a world beyond time and do not perceive it linearly, being completely unaffected by the collapse of the multiverse across past, present and future - That's Type 4

This is an easy clean, I can add the update.

Angels are just lowest rank divine demons; Gods are just high-rank divine demons
 
6 Is something that I feel should be addressed tbh, personally I don't like the 9D stuff mostly because of stuff like this. It makes no sense whatsoever for Satan's 2 halves to each be 4 dimensions below him.
 
Infinite dimension via No Euclidean Dimension in YVHV Space/domain/Throne and fighr him outside/trascendent all of this :v
 
Extreme123dz said:
Infinite dimension via No Euclidean Dimension in YVHV Space/domain/Throne and fighr him outside/trascendent all of this :v
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non euclidean space is not infinite D.SMT IS NOT 1A PERIOD
 
I will add what were accepted from thread too like Abstract Existence for Demons which personified concepts should they would be Type 1
 
I don't think the Demons' Abstract Existence is really Type 1, considering that they can be temporarily killed without affecting the concepts they represent (aside from special cases like YHVH)
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Well, it's not a 100% thing, All Haxes are negated via higher AP. That is a NLF, but it is true to a certain extent.
Higher Demons having authority over Lower Demons is generally true, but that's not where it comes from.

The Hax negating generally either comes from people like YHVH, or really high-end beings being completely unnaffected by the powers of any lesser god or demon, rendering them worthless before their sheer might. And also from the Protagonists no-selling and just punching / slicing anyone who opposes them.

Some very blatant examples of this include Kagutsuchi outright trying to erase the Demi-Fiend from Existence, and the Moirai Sisters trying to control his Fate, and both failing. There are others, such as the protagonists in Devil Survivor 2 fighting Polaris and Canopus who are the administrators of a little "Computer Program" called the Multiverse, and yet not being instantly deleted from the Software. Brahman is also shown controlling the Data of his reality, and the protagonists still manage to fight him. Odin's spear Gungnir shares the same property as the mythica Gungnir of never missing and always killing its opponent, but it is proven useless against stronger warriors.

There's also the fact that Human characters with Observation can blatantly nullify the powers of gods and demons through the way they are Perceived, such as when the Apocalypse Cast debased YHVH from his Throne as the One True Omnipotent God, and turned him into a "mere Demon". YHVH's powers were unable to match Human Observation.
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This statement is from the previous thread; The majority of Protagonists are missing many of their resistances. I can add them.
 
Demi-Fiend's profile should be completely re-worked because as of right now, it's very outdated.
 
DMB 1 said:
Demi-Fiend's profile should be completely re-worked because as of right now, it's very outdated.
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I agree. His resistances are missing and other abilities.

Dante is a fiend is which still considered as a demon in the games. Fiends still have demonic powers.

Fiend:
Fiend (Ú¡öõ║║?, lit. "devil person") is a considerably powerful demon race, whose members generally have important roles in the games. With few exceptions, their members are clothed skeletons. This is because they are often incarnations of death or evil in various form, or closely associated with death and disaster of sorts.

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These were accepted from the last CRT:

High-Godly Regenerationn for all Demons, as well as Non-Corporeality, Abstract Existence, and Acausality -

Acausality is Type 4 and Abstract Existence is Type 2 from Description
 
Oh, if we're talking about protagonist resistances, it's pretty clear demons tend to not be able to affect them with hax
 
Yeah. Even in the Devil Survivor series, Father Time just straight up cannot affect the entire party with his hax and has to kill them in a straight up fight, among other things.
 
I thinking about updating Dante since he is a fiend which is a race of demon so the demons additions would apply, Yobobojojo
 
Is Dante treated as the same race as in his home series? If so, he probably qualifies for them, yeah.
 
I am not sure if most of the Demons' shenanigans would apply to Dante, considering that he is only Half-Fiend and not a full-blown Demon.
 
Personally, I think being listed as Fiend is enough, considering how important demon race is treated.
 
Archangels are now 2-A instead of 2-B so I upgrade Demi-Fiend 2-B to 2-A key.

His last key would be upgraded At least 2-A, possibly High 2-A scaling from being comparable to Lucifer (Shin Megami Tensei) ad this is one his profile
 
Other peeps whose keys should be changed to account for Luci's scaling:
- Raidou XIV
- Flyn
- Possibly Nakajima
- Possibly Hiroko (YHVH's change in tier may also affect this)
- Megami Tensei II prota-- wait he does't have a page (should I request that one be made)

Serph's tier should also be changed to scale to Satan and Brahman

Also, what's with Nemissa's page? There's plenty of high-level demons she should easily scale to, like Metatron, Vishnu, etc.
The Raidou & Raido fight would also likely change her scaling a fair bit if we're to consider that canon.
 
I agreed with the points's above regarding Lucifier's scaling. Their profiles just didn't get updated after Lucifer's tier change.
 
You may also want to be careful about giving Kagutsuchi High-Godly regen, btw. Not everyone is sure about that (personally, I would give him High-Godly, since it wouldn't make sense for someone so heavily connected to YHVH NOT to have it, while demons lower on the scale - like Pixie or Jack Frost - still do).
 
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