SMT Demon Speed Upgrade

[Yvel_Atsly]

All fodder demons such as Jack Frost and those who scale to them should be immeasurable. As they're natural residents of the Expanse who can traverse it with no issue.

 

[Ionliosite]

I mean, yeah, traversing the Expanse is immeasurable, and all Demons are native to the Expanse, but that scan doesn't really say anything like that...

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

It's showing all demons can move within it. As Tamaki was traversing it in SMT If... alongisde fodder demons. As to expel any doubt that they might not scale cause they're fodder

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Bump

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I agree.

 

[MYHERO]

Further proof although a bit minor is this weak ass demon just existing in it without any problem whatsoever. Should be indicative enough at this point.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yup, undeniable.

 

[Elizhaa]

I am neutral for now; this point seems fine in theory but it should also upgrade humans protagonists and other characters since they can fight demons. More inputs is needed.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Well i said those who scale to fodder demons should also have immeasurable speed too

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Bump

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Bump

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I agree but we need staff for this :'v

 

[DarkGrath]

I... suppose so? I don't know enough about the context to properly evaluate this, but from what I understand, the Expanse is 5D and these demons can traverse it no problem. Provided this is done via movement, not like, portals or anything; Immeasurable should be the speed rating.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

They just move. So, yeah, immeasurable.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

We just need confirmation for this

 

[Elizhaa]

I forgot this scan about the Expanse: https://imgur.com/a/LfS1w

Here is the scan evidence that state the Expense transcend the "past, present, and future".

 

[Antvasima]

Spatial higher-dimensionality does not scale to speed, and we should be extremely careful before handing out extreme speed tiers that may contradict everything else established within a certain story setting. In addition, we are planning to get rid of our Timeless Voids Standards so this will no longer scale to exaggerated speed levels.

 

[MYHERO]

Will you guys treat transcending time to be the same as existing in a void that lacks time?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Just pointing out that the Expanse, as shown in the scans, trascends past, present an future, which means any demon who can move there can, by default, "reach or go" to any moment they please which is basically the requierment for Immeasurable speed.

Also, the timeless Void Standards don't apply here as the Expanse isn't a void nor it is timeless but a "place" beyond our normal time and space which would also qualify for Acausality type 4 AFAIK

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

******* nerds lmao

Not now my dear sock puppet, wait till I have something to do for you

This is a joke post btw, don't ban me :v

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

Also lower demons being immeasurable dosen't contradict them at all. Since they don't see time linearly anyways (as shown on the profiles with Kagu's death and all just like 2-A ones) So them being beyond time dosen't massively contradict anything

 

[Antvasima]

Just pointing out that the Expanse, as shown in the scans, trascends past, present an future, which means any demon who can move there can, by default, "reach or go" to any moment they please which is basically the requierment for Immeasurable speed.

Also, the timeless Void Standards don't apply here as the Expanse isn't a void nor it is timeless but a "place" beyond our normal time and space which would also qualify for Acausality type 4 AFAIK

Okay. I suppose that seems to make sense, but you should ask Sera EX and staff members listed in the Shin Megami Tensei verse page to comment here in order to make certain.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Most SMT active members are already here.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. We still need some more staff evaluations though.

 

[Elizhaa]

I read though the new points, I think Tony di bugalu's points on the Expanse make sense so I agree with speed upgrade.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks for the input.

Are there any staff members listed in the Shin Megami Tensei verse page and the Knowledgeable Members List?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Matthew Schroeder and Ultima Reality, I'll try to contact them later to see what they think of it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you. You can tell them that I would appreciate some help.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

We should probably wait until any SMT experts show up, but I think Tony di bugalu's points on the 5D Expanse seem to make sense, and don't contradict the Timeless Void Standards, so I agree with the upgrade tor now.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

All the SMT experts are here.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I don't see Sera, Ultima or Matt here though, so there are a few missing.

 

[Elizhaa]

I contacted Sera, Matthew, and Ultima on their message wall; we can wait for their inputs.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Shot, I forgot about this, sorry and thanks Elizhaa :v

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

There are experts besides mods

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out. You can tell them that we are in a hurry to get done before April 15.

 

[Sera_EX]

I agree with Tony.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. I suppose that this seems to have been accepted by the staff then.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I agree with this.

 

[Antvasima]

So should this be applied then?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I agree with this if Sera does.