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As if anybody scaled to Zenō lol
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Small addition to Zen'ō
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No lol, no one get resistance
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They don't have to scale to zeno at all. It'll be that concept of justice has been destroyed and so justice should have been cease to exist. Imagine concept of time has been destroyed but we are arguing that it's form which is "time" or "sense of time" still exist.
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It doesn't makes sense. When abstract concept itself gets altered so their forms does and everyone thoughts, senses in the universe as well as per. If the concept of justice cease to exist then the sense of justice as well. Either they get resistance or... ¯\(ツ)/¯
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1. Just because it is the concept of justice doesn't mean it must be sense of justice or thought. And practially IZ was warp the universe into his very image, got erased too fast though
2. Actually no one presented in the erasure process except Zeno, Goku, Trunks etc... already retreated back to his own timeline. Only Zeno left anyway
Edit: Anyway go back to working or i will get yelled by my boss
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Anyway, Type 3 concept seems fine as even if the concept that has been mentioned in the dragon ball as "concept of justice and order" do not meet requirement of type 2 because of its unknown nature (we don't know that even if it can affect reality and hasn't even done so, has no statement regarding how these concepts works whatsoever but just a single statement, which is not enough w/o it's nature being explained), They still has mentioned it.
2. Trunks apparently belongs to IZ timeline and so his sense of justice is bound to that timeline, also that goku and trunks came back to take zeno as well. Also the nature of this concept is unexplained whatsoever.
1. It is concept of justice, so it must affect everyone sense of judgement as per being altered or destroyed, same for being erased. Also IZ has enough of time, if he is concept of justice itself then his sense of justice would have been ruled out everyone else sense of justice, he don't have to manipulate something he himself already is.
2. Trunks apparently belongs to IZ timeline and so his sense of justice is bound to that timeline, also that goku and trunks came back to take zeno as well. Also the nature of this concept is unexplained whatsoever.
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If you exit your timeline in DB, whatever happens to it doesn't affect you, otherwise by that logic Trunks should've been erased from existence as well.
This is expanded in the games as well.
This is expanded in the games as well.
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If you mean that nature of concept in dragonball is like altering it or anything doesn't have any effects on reality or beings with which the concept of justice is bound, then again it's not type 2.
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Yes,and that reality is the Future Universe 7. IZ only merged with a single universe/space time, not with multiple timelines or universes. That's what is accepted here.
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Yeah. No. This is just durability at best.
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Yeah that is fine, but does the nature of concept of justice has been explained in dragonball as of something that altering it or messing with it changes it's forms or sense of justice across the reality? Because type 2 should be that.
W/O knowing the nature concept, it's just type 3.
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Zamasu being the concept of justice is obviously hyperbolic lmfao.
This wiki has a serious issue with taking things too literally and it shows.
This wiki has a serious issue with taking things too literally and it shows.
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Type 3. Lesser Fundamental Concepts: Concepts that don't meet the same standards as Type 1 or Type 2, such as personal concepts that continue to govern the object in question, merely on a more specific scale, or concepts whose nature is not elaborated upon. Case-by-case specifications and explanations are necessary for such concepts and examples, and they are likely not going to meet the same standards for abilities such as High-Godly regeneration that other concepts may. Conceptual manipulation of this type can be resisted by those who resist sufficiently similar abilities, even if the exact mechanics may differ.
I agree with type 3.
They have ******* type 1 AE on the profile for being concept nothing can be done
I agree with type 3.
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...type 1 AE comes from Zamasu embodying his own will, not because he's a concept lol.
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On the profile it states that they embodied abstract concept of justice and order... Was it just written as for just a word and not in literal?
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The entire context was about Zamasu becoming the universe in order to impose his own version of justice as the only one.
Characters that embody the concept do with the TRUE version of it, not a version made from a distorted perception, unless you think Zamasu's view is the true version of justice lol.
If anything Zamasu AE should be downgraded.
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If anything, just remove abstract concept stuff from the profile, that's whole thing is definitely not serious and do not qualify as per our standards is another thing. Ideas are indeed not a concept as well.
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I won't enter the conceptual manip debate, but I don't see how the op qualifies for Invulnerability, that just means no one in the verse can kill him, and at most it works as AP upscaling.
Also, he should just upscale from other's AP, not via resisting his own EE hax.
Also, he should just upscale from other's AP, not via resisting his own EE hax.
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Yeah, his durability is because no one can beat him and he > everyone, he not really withstand his own ki blast because it is EE feat though
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you can let them talk about it lol i don't care as long as they don't fight lol
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There is actually an explanation behind this, read my thread when I updated Zamasu and there's why it became like that.
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I agree, make my topic your topic, anyway this should have been updated a long time ago.
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Anyway, concept or not, this not the purpose of the thread anyway, i just off-hand propose it and peoples disagree so this can be closed, i'm pretty busy with other things so.............
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good, can you close this then? Thanks.
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lol no, i'm normal user
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It was with administrator, brother
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Anyways, in regards Zamasu's Conceptual existance, I remain neutral. As it seems the wiki changed standarts again lol
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man, I'm not understanding anything because of this risk in the lyrics, but it was explained why Zamasu became a concept in my publication, the quote is not a hyperbole
Ruphas_Mafahl123
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Yeah, the thing was already accepted. Don't know why the people have a problem with it now
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Nah, no point debating over this, just lock this thread
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I'll just make a CRT against Zamasu then later.
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Nobody can defeat him this clearly shows his durability upscales anyone’s AP within the verse
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If your argument is “hyperbolic flowery language” then good luck
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Now are you going to do it out of pure hatred about? Stop it, DB can't have his hax in a decent way no, when are you going to stop this ignorance with Dragon Ball?
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top right there, all these comment is so unnecessary, the thread finish its role, no need for all these unnecessary replies
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Uh I mean... Sure ig?
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̶I̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶d̶e̶s̶p̶i̶s̶e̶ ̶D̶B̶ ̶c̶u̶z̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶Z̶e̶n̶k̶a̶i̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶c̶'̶m̶o̶n̶ ̶X̶D̶.̶ ̶ ̶P̶o̶o̶r̶ ̶Z̶a̶m̶a̶s̶u̶ ̶w̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶d̶o̶w̶n̶g̶r̶a̶d̶e̶s̶.̶.̶.̶I̶ ̶p̶i̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶h̶i̶m̶.̶ ̶
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I'm extremely busy with other things and people decide to do all the unnecessary things
sigh
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People are throwing a tantrum over nothing, y'all started to talk about conceptual manipulation despite the OP said nothing about it, so I just gave my opinion on it.
So I didn't derail anything.
But besides that, this should be closed yeah.
So I didn't derail anything.
But besides that, this should be closed yeah.
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