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Small addition to Zen'ō

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Zeno is described that nothing in the verse can affect him or anything.

HEY! KAIÔ- SHIN. IS THE LORD OF EVERYTHING IN THIS TIMELINE STILL AROUND? HUH? HMM... THE LORD OF EVERY- THING? I'M CERTAIN HE IS. NO ONE CAN DEFEAT THE LORD OF EVERY- THING.

here in the anime it is also mentioned

Proof of this, is presented well here, Zeno'oh withstood the destruction of a timeline and was completely fine

I think this fits perfectly with the said description of the anime and manga

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Invulnerability

Invulnerability is the power to be immune to conventional harm. Characters with such powers may simply be unaffected by normal attacks, necessitating the use of things like Durability Negation to get through. Others have more conditional invulnerability, such as one that just prevents harm from...
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Note: I'm not assuming that Zeno is invincible, as that is utter nonsense

I only want one invulnerability or something that fits Zeno's description ( be respectful )
 
Thelastmlg said:
The desciption does not say "nothing can affect him", it says "no one can defeat him", this is not invulnerability, he is simple stronger than everyone else, him tanking the timeline destruction is just durability
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It doesn't even matter.

Even if it's mentioned he's Invulnerable, you'll not get Invulnerability because the mechanism behind the Invulnerability needs to be addressed.

That was discussed and accepted years ago

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Suggested invulnerability changes

tldr wok is salty that he didn't get to delete this power last time and tries to neuter it agai I think we should better define Invulnerability. Given that we already have Durability Negation, I think it makes more sense to concretely define Invulnerability as Attack Potency Negation, more...
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Also Supreme Kai states the same thing in the anime so zeno should have 2-C durability and not possibly 2-C durability 0:20
(also this could mean Zeno has resistance to a lot of the Hax in dbs as well but at minimum this should be 2-C Durabiltiy
 
godofice said:
Also Supreme Kai states the same thing in the anime so zeno should have 2-C durability and not possibly 2-C durability 0:20
(also this could mean Zeno has resistance to a lot of the Hax in dbs as well but at minimum this should be 2-C Durabiltiy
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I think it's fair
 
Vietthai96 said:
Yes, he is type 2 due to being justice and order of the universe, probably the entire timeline since he leak to other timeline and Zeno need to erase the entire timeline to get rid of him
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If he has been justice of the entire timeline then it would have affected trunks and other beings sense of justice itself which it didn't at that zeno destroying concept of justice would turn sense of justice for the entire universe cease which again wasn't the case. Also that everyone will have resistance to conceptual manipulation type 2 if that happens, it's stretched if anything.
 
Reiner said:
If he has been justice of the entire timeline then it would have affected trunks and other beings sense of justice itself which it didn't at that zeno destroying concept of justice would turn sense of justice for the entire universe cease which again wasn't the case. Also that everyone will have resistance to conceptual manipulation type 2 if that happens, it's stretched if anything.
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What the hell, what we know is he being the concept of justice and order, before he can even do anything he get erased, why should sense of justice is even mattered here is beyond me
 
Vietthai96 said:
What the hell, what we know is he being the concept of justice and order, before he can even do anything he get erased, why should sense of justice is even mattered here is beyond me
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That's literally what type 2 conceptual manipulation standards are in here on vsbw. He don't have to manipulate concepts when he is conceptual justice/idea itself, just his sense of justice should be the one to exist and every being must have been turned there for him, also zeno destroying concept of justice for the entire timeline is big no, as it would imply that justice from the timeline has been cease to exist which wasn't the case again. Everyone there in the universe will have resistance to conceptual manipulation, no.
 
Vietthai96 said:
It still is conceptual erasure, which in Conceptual Manipulation page it is Destruction type, and i asked @Ultima_Reality , he confirmed
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Ultima is knowledgeable in conceptual manipulation? Idts but even if he is, he have to come here and tell how it qualifies as in my eyes and what standards says, it doesn't.
 
Reiner said:
Ultima is knowledgeable in conceptual manipulation? Idts but even if he is, he have to come here and tell how it qualifies as in my eyes and what standards says, it doesn't.
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It qualifies, because again i already said, Conceptual AE1 being is practically the concept itself, erase it practically is Destruction type in Conceptual Manipulation page, and feel free to ask him in
 
Vietthai96 said:
Actually, i propose that Zen'o should have Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), he erased IZ, and IZ is the concept itself (concept of justice and order) so it fit the conceptual destruction
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i agree with Reiner and also destroying someone with CM doesn't give the destroyer CM
 
Vietthai96 said:
It qualifies, because again i already said, Conceptual AE1 being is practically the concept itself, erase it practically is Destruction type in Conceptual Manipulation page, and feel free to ask him in
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Not really, they doesn't have to be concepts, just being abstract existence who lacks physical form and represents the abstracts such as even space-time, justice is enough. It doesn't necessarily have to be concept and to say type 2 concept? Hell no.
 
Aachintya31 said:
i agree with Reiner and also destroying someone with CM doesn't give the destroyer CM
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It is not about someone having the concept, it is the concept itself
Reiner said:
Not really, they doesn't have to be concepts, just being abstract existence who lacks physical form and represents the abstracts such as even space-time, justice is enough. It doesn't necessarily have to be concept and to say type 2 concept? Hell no.
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Sorry, but your argument is about AE2, not AE1
 
Vietthai96 said:
No lol, also where did i said being AE1 grants type 2 concept??
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Then what is the justification for IZ being type 2 concept of justice and order? As it'll either give trunks and other beings in the timeline resistance towards conceptual manipulation type 2 and will imply that justice ever since IZ got destroyed ceased to exist from the timeline.
 
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