Slight changes to skirk abilities (Genshin Impact)

[Furina003]

Change transmutation to density manipulation, because it is clear that skirk compresses the narwhal's body rather than changing it, thus creating a black hole.

From here, skirk will also get the ability Blackhole Creation along with its resistance, because skirk is able to lift and interact directly with the black hole capable of trapping light without being affected at all. This is in accordance with the terminology of density manipulation, sometimes density manipulation will also create a black hole.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

@Giannysmag, @Puppet43, @PedjaTarzan

 

[Shey]

No True Black Hole properties, no Resistances
The description doesn't directly refer that light can't escape the Eye of the Maelstrom, it talks about a Vortex of Darkness. Coupled with the fact that it doesn't actually do anything

Instead of Density Manipulation it should be Size Manipulation as it's described as

 

[Giannysmag]

What Shey said

 

[PedjaTarzan]

i suggest waiting skirk to be playable (litteraly next patch no?) and then revise her profile completely.

 

[Furina003]

No True Black Hole properties, no Resistances
The description doesn't directly refer that light can't escape the Eye of the Maelstrom, it talks about a Vortex of Darkness. Coupled with the fact that it doesn't actually do anything

I don't understand what you are discussing, it clearly states that light cannot escape from it

Instead of Density Manipulation it should be Size Manipulation as it's described as

Manipulating the size still maintains its original shape, for example someone makes a car smaller and when the size is reduced the shape of the car will remain, this clearly shows that the skirk compresses the body of the narwhal so that it creates an object that is shaped like a black hole, so there is absolutely no size manipulation there

 

[Furina003]

i suggest waiting skirk to be playable (litteraly next patch no?) and then revise her profile completely.

this is just a small change

 

[Shey]

I don't understand what you are discussing, it clearly states that light cannot escape from it

This is about Reading Comprehension

Manipulating the size still maintains its original shape, for example someone makes a car smaller and when the size is reduced the shape of the car will remain, this clearly shows that the skirk compresses the body of the narwhal so that it creates an object that is shaped like a black hole, so there is absolutely no size manipulation there

Shape is not relevant, don't be obtuse any object shrunk small enough retaining its mass can in theory form a black hole ie, The Earth shrank to the width of 2cm
The Narwhal is shown shrinking in size and is stated to have shrunken in size.
This is Size Manipulation

 

[Furina003]

This is about Reading Comprehension

Its say "Just as light cannot escape from the vortex of darkness", so?

Shape is not relevant, don't be obtuse any object shrunk small enough retaining its mass can in theory form a black hole ie, The Earth shrank to the width of 2cm
The Narwhal is shown shrinking in size and is stated to have shrunken in size.
This is Size Manipulation

Density manipulation also reduces the size, so we have to understand the difference between size manipulation and density manipulation. does skirk reduce the size of the narwhal or compress it? if it reduce it should not change the shape of the narwhal, so it is clear that it compresses not shrinks

 

[Weaver261]

Its say "Just as light cannot escape from the vortex of darkness", so?

The description only stated this substance is far heavier than its size. And continue to talk about metaphors where everything gathers around heavy things. If you are going take "light cannot escape from the vortex of darkness" as a feat, why not take gold and iron comparison and earth and breeze comparison too? After all "light cannot escape from the vortex of darkness" is also compared with cause and effect attached to fate. So yeah there's nothing here stating this substance is "vortex of darkness".

Also I doubt black holes can be thrown around in normal space time like that without disrupting anything.

 

[Furina003]

The description only stated this substance is far heavier than its size. And continue to talk about metaphors where everything gathers around heavy things. If you are going take "light cannot escape from the vortex of darkness" as a feat, why not take gold and iron comparison and earth and breeze comparison too? After all "light cannot escape from the vortex of darkness" is also compared with cause and effect attached to fate. So yeah there's nothing here stating this substance is "vortex of darkness".

yes, I think this description actually explains that it is density manipulation, this object is much heavier than its apparent size, that's why black holes are created,

as explained earlier, if the earth is shrunk to a size of 2cm and this forms a black hole, then this is density manipulation not size manipulation because the mass of the object is maintained and compressed with a really small volume of space. So is this a metaphor, I think not, because the description does explain what is happening in the item.

Also I doubt black holes can be thrown around in normal space time like that without disrupting anything.

I'm not sure about this issue, because I think anything can happen in fiction,

 

[Weaver261]

I'm not sure about this issue, because I think anything can happen in fiction,

Let's go by that logic. It can be size manipulation even though it might look like destiny manipulation in logical sense. Yk why? Anything can happen in fiction. You should just wait for next patch for more solid reveals than doing it now.

 

[Furina003]

Let's go by that logic. It can be size manipulation even though it might look like destiny manipulation in logical sense. Yk why? Anything can happen in fiction.

I think not, what differentiates size manipulation from density manipulation is the mass and shape of the object, whether it changes or not. skirk feat can't be called size manipulation at all, although it can be said that this size manipulation should also be able to get density manipulation, because clearly skirk compacts the narwhal's body

You should just wait for next patch for more solid reveals than doing it now.

This just little change. well, I won't argue anymore, because I have explained all my points of view about this feat, so I will wait until the staff checks this crt, so that it is easier for the staff to evaluate. because from several existing crts it will be increasingly difficult to assess if there are too many discussions that go around in circles.

 

[Voidnether]

Just rate it altogether as Transmutation, Density Manipulation & Size Manipulation since it qualifies for the three of them and considering we literally have this on the profile:

• Explosion Manipulation, Telekinesis, Smoke Manipulation & Crystal Manipulation (Covered the All-Devouring Narwhall with crystal shards then lifted it up from the surface before unleashing an explosion with sparks of abyssal mist before transforming the Narwhall)

Mind you, this and Transmutation were literally the same scans, same video, same timestamp which is why if it was already glazed for the first time: Why not do it the second time, and like what I said earlier about how the three of them would qualify in the end (Totally not glazing).

Anyways, no, I disagree with Blackhole Creation since the supposedly blackhole stuff comes from Skirk transmutating the Narwhal into a blackhole instead of her creating it.

 

[Furina003]

Just rate it altogether as Transmutation, Density Manipulation & Size Manipulation since it qualifies for the three of them and considering we literally have this on the profile:

absolutely not, that's why these 3 abilities are differentiated, even though they have similar results, these 3 abilities are not the same. there are some cases that can indeed get all 3, but for now it is clear not.

maybe I agree for transmutation and density, but not for size manipulation, the shape changes because it is compacted, this is clearly density manipulation which will also get sub transmutation abilities,

Anyways, no, I disagree with Blackhole Creation since the supposedly blackhole stuff comes from Skirk transmutating the Narwhal into a blackhole instead of her creating it.

well, this is density manipulation which may have a sub ability of transmutation (although I tend to disagree) and I've explained all of that before, so I won't explain it again

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Can we wait for skirk to come first? I mean just 15-20 days? So we can make crt efficiently.

 

[Furina003]

Can we wait for skirk to come first? I mean just 15-20 days? So we can make crt efficiently.

Okay, I'll withhold this crt,
but honestly, I'm not sure this issue will be discussed again