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Slenderman vs monika (DDLC)

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StrymULTRA said:
So what stops Monika from plot gg?
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Oh his profile it says this "possibly Plot Manipulation (Vinnie is convinced that he and the others are fiction and their entire lives have been fabricated and controlled by HABIT and Slenderman; however, this is debatable, and even if their lives have been fabricated and controlled, it may be through more conventional means. HABIT has stated that the "lie" that is his life and history grows on its own)" therefore he could have something against plot manipulation but we don't really know
 
'K, so I think the only way for him to win is via mindhax, because killing Monika isn't possible, at least not directly. It depends on both of their opening moves. Either that, or he needs to outsmart Monika, because Monika has way more hax than him and therefore a higher chance of winning
 
Starting Values:
Slenderman:
  • Mind hax (according to the wiki, it's a slow process, starting by driving people insane, and eventually possessing her, so I'm only giving him half a point on this for now, unless this gets proved wrong)
  • Illusion hax (is smarter than Monika, so this could be used in interesting ways, but considering her plot manip, she could probably undo it once she realizes its an illusion, therefore I am only giving one point for this)
  • Plot hax (We don't know how good his plot hax is, or if he even uses them, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here and give him a half point, so I think he can undo at least some of the plot stuff that Monika can control. However, at absolute best, he can't use this power as offense, FRB)
  • Temporal BFR (Going to give him a negative half point for this one, because if he does this, then Monika erases the script, destroying everything including him, or she just reverses the Temporal BFR)
  • Immortality type 9 (Could be interesting, giving a benefit of the doubt point here)
  • Death Manipulation Resistance (1.5 points, could prevent death via Monika's EE, but would still give her the win)
Monika:
  • Immortality types 1 4 and 5 (She can't die by old age or disease, can reincarnate herself, and is immune to death itself. 4 Points here because type 1 isn't relevant (unless slenderman uses disease manipulation, in which case it's worth 1 point because it counters the disease) , 4 is worth 1 point depending on the situation, and 5 is worth 2)
  • Existence Erasure (Theoretical counter, thought based. Could theoretically be the first move. 2 points, infinitely more if it's the first move)
  • Mind, Empathic, Memory manip (1 point, Memory Manip is a counter to Slenderman's memory manip, Empathic could help stop her from going insane, and Mind could win the battle over. The only one winning a point here is Mind)
  • Resistance to plot manipulation (Therefore her Plot Manip is stronger than Slenderman's, at best he can defend himself, and definitely not attack her. 1.5 points)
  • Clairvoyance (can see the future, and therefore shape the plot to her advantage before the battle even starts. 3 points. Probably a deciding factor)
Monika: 11.5. Slenderman: 4
Chances of Monika winning: 76.666666666667%
Chances of Slenderman winning: 23.333333333333%
These are just the beginning values, and are meant to be debated on, and in no way should be taken as the final results. Only points on abilities that 1:Could lead to a win
2:Immortality types
are counted. Therefore 1.5 points will be removed from Monika and Slenderman at the end (because resistances don't lead to a win and aren't immortality types). Also keep in mind I am NOT an expert on Slenderman and probably missed something
 
Although tbf as far as i know, monika would try to delete slenderman, fail because of his type 9 immortality, giving slenderman enough time to mindhax her..
 
No, he can't. Because Monika will be passively killed by radiation, also, mindhax is gradual

And, as I said, Monika could just read the script to incap, and, if that doesn't work, then it's an incon
 
I think that there is a staff thread that wanna delete threads that end at incon because no one can affect the other

Anyways, incon FRA. If anyone can show me where does the Slenderman's immortality come from, then it could help to the thread
 
From what I saw, the real form of Slenderman exist outside of time and space, in a realm above the normal Universe, so I doubt Monika can actually kill him.

I will vote incon for now.
 
Guys, her ability is literally deleting his character file from existence. Even if he (somehow) survives he will be a vegetable because his personality is gone
 
His true form exist outside time and space, she can't erase his true form but only his manifestation, which with someone with Immortality Type 9 it's not enough to actually kill him. So what you say wouldn't make a difference in this fight.
 
ThanatosX said:
His true form exist outside time and space, she can't erase his true form but only his manifestation, which with someone with Immortality Type 9 it's not enough to actually kill him. So what you say wouldn't make a difference in this fight.
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Does his True Form has feats of regen the avatar? because if not, Monika wins due incap
 
ThanatosX said:
His true form exist outside time and space, she can't erase his true form but only his manifestation, which with someone with Immortality Type 9 it's not enough to actually kill him. So what you say wouldn't make a difference in this fight.
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She doesnt erase the form, she erases the file. If you hack the game and delete all of the code for slenderman then he won't appear will he? And even if that isn't the case, she can just change the plot so that his true form enters the dimension she is in and erase that. Monika stomp
 
Bernkastelll said:
Does his True Form has feats of regen the avatar? because if not, Monika wins due incap
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Those that have Type 9 not always need Regen. Erasing the manifestation wouldn't actually harm their true form, so they wouldn't have nothing that they need to Regen in the first place. However, I am not sure if this is the case with Slenderman, so I suggest to wait for knowledgeable members.
Drhorrible100 said:
She doesnt erase the form, she erases the file. If you hack the game and delete all of the code for slenderman then he won't appear will he? And even if that isn't the case, she can just change the plot so that his true form enters the dimension she is in and erase that. Monika stomp
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What you are saying seems a lot NLF considering that Monika never shown to be able to do this kind of things to someone with Type 9 Immortality.

I don't have much time to debate, so I think this will be my last comment about this. My vote remains for Incon.

If you want other inputs, I suggest to contact knowledgeable members of the verse.
 
I thought of something. If monika destroys his form, but his true form is in another dimension, wouldnt that be a BFR win?
 
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