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Simplest Ben 10 verse Upgrades

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Hellformer said:
Pretty much of his claims like Alien X being vulnerable to Anur Vladias and stuff.
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Just because he made a wrong claim doesn´t means he is wrong on everything

Hellformer said:
Not to mention that he said Alien X can destroy the omniverse in 6 thoughts but later forgot if he said this.
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People forget about stuff

Hellformer said:
So overall he is just an art director and not the story writer. In conclusion, Duncan and Joe Kelly's statements have more weight over DJW's statements.
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Joe Kelly said his opinion and then said a joke, while DJW said a straight answer

It´s obvious who holds more weight here

Also, why he would be joking in a statement saying that something was a joke? There is no logical reason for that
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Just because he made a wrong claim doesn´t means he is wrong on everything
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Then it's your burden to prove its canonicity with the show since the other writers don't consider it a joke
Accelerated_Evolution said:
People forget about stuff
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Shouldn't forget such important claims about the verse and its characters or else the statements wouldn't hold much weight.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Joe Kelly said his opinion and then said a joke, while DJW said a straight answer
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When did Joe say his statements are joke?;
Accelerated_Evolution said:
It´s obvious who holds more weight here
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Do you even know that DJW was simply an art director and not a story writer?
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Also, why he would be joking in a statement saying that something was a joke? There is no logical reason for that
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Aolphl said:
Things like this are not allowed. Things like this are invalid as long as things like what Accelerated Evolution described above are not in verse. It's just Biological Manipulation at best.
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Due to entire universe being accepted, it's not biological manipulation (so simple reality wrapping or plot manipulation)
Now it's up to you (we can use some other stuff for biological manipulation)
 
OMNIVERSAL-KING said:
Due to entire universe being accepted,
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Chadzmut was also talking about the universe, wasn't he? If so, it would be Reality Warping.
OMNIVERSAL-KING said:
it's not biological manipulation
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The reason this is biological manipulation is because Chadzmut specifically refers to Azmuth's voice and appearance.
OMNIVERSAL-KING said:
Now it's up to you (we can use some other stuff for biological manipulation)
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I don't see any problem with adding Reality Warping along with Biological Manipulation. I disagree with Plot Manipulation because of the things described above.
 
Aolphl said:
Chadzmut was also talking about the universe, wasn't he? If so, it would be Reality Warping.

The reason this is biological manipulation is because Chadzmut specifically refers to Azmuth's voice and appearance.

I don't see any problem with adding Reality Warping along with Biological Manipulation. I disagree with Plot Manipulation because of the things described above.
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Do you agree with the rest then?
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
It wasn´t something important in-lore or that was important for the overall story of the series, stop trying to make the """feat""" more impressive than it is

Also, is ironic that you is requesting proofs when you didn´t gave any that answered my question
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Yes, changing the entirety of the style changes isn't important, imagine waking up and seeing that the entire world is drawn in a style akin to Donatello, all people would just handwave it away
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Wut

It literally contradicts what the series shows when afirming that Alien X can change a non-existent metafictional plot
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You don't need metanarrative to have plot manip.
Commonly found in metafictional stories, the plot can be understood as a fundamental aspect of reality once one views that reality as fictional
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It is the description of the world that doesn't only describe, but determines, reality itself. As such, by altering the plot, one can achieve virtually any effect, in a similar fashion as with Reality Warping.
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instead of people arguing over "art directors", "storyboard directors" and "writers"
I would much rather prefer a verse, where intelligent characters on screen would explain whether a character can do certain things or not.

Visuals> Statements.

Rather than asking show runners and turning the Q/A into an obvious power scaling discussion, which I'm pretty sure versus better wiki has a discussion rule regarding "obviously" asked power scaling related questions against the writers.
 
It doesn't require time, we just need at least a little approval from the staff member 😭
 
Is the current lifting strength proposal affected by the previous lifting thread?

I disagree with Plot Manipulation, as no in-show reference to a meta-narrative exists.

Temperature Manipulation is fine.

Resistance to Age Manipulation seems okay.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Is the current lifting strength proposal affected by the previous lifting thread?

I disagree with Plot Manipulation, as no in-show reference to a meta-narrative exists.

Temperature Manipulation is fine.

Resistance to Age Manipulation seems okay.
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No because Class P LS is a higher value than Class G LS
 
Firestorm808 said:
Is the current lifting strength proposal affected by the previous lifting thread?

I disagree with Plot Manipulation, as no in-show reference to a meta-narrative exists.

Temperature Manipulation is fine.

Resistance to Age Manipulation seems okay.
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And D'Void AP?
 
Firestorm808 said:
Is the current lifting strength proposal affected by the previous lifting thread?

I disagree with Plot Manipulation, as no in-show reference to a meta-narrative exists.

Temperature Manipulation is fine.

Resistance to Age Manipulation seems okay.
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Didn't know if you agree about D'Void AP
 
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