Silver Chariot Requiem Immortality

[GiornoGiovannaF]

8: Reliant Immortality: The character cannot die as long as a certain being, object, or even concept exists.

Silver chariot Requiem should have type 8 immorality because the only way to completely
destroy it is to destroy the light/soul behind your back and while chariot was wounded not completely killed his power was still in effect and would have destroyed the planet with his soul fuckery

 

[Chariot190]

I agree with this, he's the shadow of one's soul. To actually kill him you essentially have to kill your own soul, or, well, the light of it. If you don't he's just gonna hel himself and be completely unphazed by even the most brutal of damage. It was made extremely clear that the only way to kill Chariot is to destroy your soul's light completely, even damaging the light would only harm him, not kill. Of course anyone can destroy the light and kill him but they gotta actually do it to do exactly that, otherwise, he'll pick himself up eventually.

 

[Promestein]

Yeah, probably.

 

[Eficiente]

I'm pretty sure that you need a NLF-type statement to get type 8 immortality. Someone who resists its powers and beats it to dead would just kill it, for example, it's not as if SCR had more regen than what's shown or anything.

 

[GiornoGiovannaF]

I'm pretty sure that you need a NLF-type statement to get type 8 immortality. Someone who resists its powers and beats it to dead would just kill it, for example, it's not as if SCR had more regen than what's shown or anything.

i mean his body was injured but chariot power where still there and bruno needed to completly destroy his soul/light for chariot to completly die thats completly in line with type 8

 

[GiornoGiovannaF]

 

[GiornoGiovannaF]

 

[Eficiente]

Yes, I know, but "destroy this=kill this character"=/=type 8 immortality, it needs to be the only way.

 

[Chariot190]

Given what we're told of it, how it's shown to work, etc. Honestly, it probably can't die unless the light is destroyed, yeah maybe it can be incapped or blown to shit but that doesn't mean it'd be functionally dead, just rendered obsolete.

 

[GiornoGiovannaF]

but it is the only way you can incapp it but what about its power the whole world whould be destroyed by monsters from other dimensions and the only way to completly destroy chariot and stop its power is to kill yourself

 

[Eficiente]

Yes, I know, but "destroy this=kill this character"=/=type 8 immortality, it needs to be the only way.

As in, without speculation.

 

[Chariot190]

Except it was made pretty clear that Chariot would not die and wasn't phased by anything unless a light was completely destroyed, according to Bruno that's how you stop it, he could be incapped or blown apart but he wouldn't die, if it being blown apart (especially seeing as that was what really happened) and even the most prutal of damage was enforced to be completely ineffective in killing it, but the story then makes clear on what Chariot is (the shadow of one's soul) and to actaully destroy it you must destroy said light as to essentially prevent the casting of the shadow that is Chariot, then it's quite clear what its relation to the light is and how you you defeat it, given everything other then that was shown to do nothing to it. If the only established way to kill it is also shown to be the only way to kill it and literally everything else including dismemberment, being blown up and total destruction of the head just about didn't even phase it then it's safe to assume the only way to kill the shadow is to kill the light as that's what everything in the story would have one believe.

 

[Eficiente]

Jesus Chariot why does every discussion with you gets dogmatic and with massive amounts of text saying barely something new with a lot of repeated information?

Except it was made pretty clear that Chariot would not die

Speculation, they just couldn't kill it in time.

and wasn't phased by anything unless a light was completely destroyed

It was, it just also has average regen.

according to Bruno that's how you stop it

"destroy this=kill this character"=/=type 8 immortality, it needs to be the only way.

he could be incapped or blown apart but he wouldn't die

That was due to its regen and its abilities making it hard to try to attack it.

if it being blown apart (especially seeing as that was what really happened) and even the most prutal of damage was enforced to be completely ineffective in killing it

Only from the limited time and damage they could give.

but the story then makes clear on what Chariot is (the shadow of one's soul) and to actaully destroy it you must destroy said light as to essentially prevent the casting of the shadow that is Chariot

"destroy this=kill this character"=/=type 8 immortality, it needs to be the only way.

Also the story also shows it as weak, slow and tangible, anyone can just beat it to death. If you want to go by interpretations of the story then one just as, if not more accurate would be that Stand users can't touch it due to his abilities but by destroying that light anyone can kill it. It's just a kill button, not the only way to kill it.

then it's quite clear what its relation to the light is

It's a kill button.

and how you you defeat it

"destroy this=kill this character"=/=type 8 immortality, it needs to be the only way.

given everything other then that was shown to do nothing to it.

This is way to poetic to what happened, I guess you are finding new ways to say it again?

If the only established way to kill it is also shown to be the only way to kill it

It's not shown to be the only way to kill it, if that was the case this thread wouldn't exist.

and literally everything else including dismemberment, being blown up and total destruction of the head just about didn't even phase it then it's safe to assume the only way to kill the shadow is to kill the light as that's what everything in the story would have one believe.

This is just exaggerated, "literally everything else" only makes it have Low-Mid regen, that's not a lot. Its ability to not be attacked by Stands was most of the deal anyway. The "blown up" is just a lie. Where does "total destruction of the head" come from? The "didn't even phase it" is just a lie. The rest is just speculation.

 

[Chariot190]

>Jesus Chariot why does every discussion with you gets dogmatic and with massive amounts of text saying barely something new with a lot of repeated information?

Oh? If you don't like it I guess don't debate with me. Dogmatic? You mean as in incontrovertibly? That's odd given how I've actually haven't explicitely claimed anything as 100% fact, now this may come off as a bit of a tu quoque, but you've actually done that far more often than I have, a lot actually, I usually avoid saying things as 100% factual (although I will say and enforce that it is something that I find to be true and likely factual, I wont say that it is indeed absolutely fact in general) other then things that, well are, for example in this thread alone I've made sure to add on to my statements with things such as it would have one believe or saying that's what the things shown in the story would imply, it's you who always states things as absolute fact, so excuse me for saying this but don't you think you should practice what you preach? And I'm almost always going to reply with a lengthy post, better to say absolutely everything then only a fraction.

>Speculation, they just couldn't kill it in time.

I mean, what you said is, quite literally, speculation in and of itself, the time limit had no bearing on if they could or not kill it, don't be dishonest Efi.

>It was, it just also has average regen.

It actually wasn't phased in the slightest, it being damaged doesn't mean it was phased, it didn't give a shit about any damage it took, most it did was a glance, it being dismembered or even having it's head blown clean through didn't do anything to it other then superficial damage that it, of course. It has Regenerationn yeah, because it can't be killed through means other then destroying the light, don't wanna offend but this is generic subtext and comprehension skills, it really shouldnt be this hard to understand what the story was going for.

>Eficiente wrote: "destroy this=kill this character"=/=type 8 immortality, it needs to be the only way.

Except you're foregoing all the context within the what, 14 chapter arc? That makes it clear that everything other then destroying the light of one's soul can't do any permanent damage to it, let alone kill it. You're right in that destroying something and having that thing kill said character doesn't mean it's type 8, but you're outright ignoring everything within its entire appearance that enforces that anything other then that would fail as well as ignoring its very nature. But to quote you earlier in the thread, you wnated a NLF statement yes? Well Bruno (plus Diavolo) use singular grammar when explaining that the light is how you defeat it, if that's what you want then be my guess but I'd rather just use the visual and story evidence.

>That was due to its regen and its abilities making it hard to try to attack it.

Yes, it had regen, which doesnt effect if it has Type 8 or not. Actually not true, it could be attacked completely fine, in fact it was, the issue was the arrow, as long as you didn't want or try to take the arrow you could rip it limb from limb. In fact it was attackd directly multiple times with massive damage with no retaliotion because in those instances the attackers weren't doing it to obtain the arrow. Ergo, that's actually a blatantly false statement.

>Only from the limited time and damage they could give.

Limited time? That has literally no effect on anything. Yeah they were on a time limit, but that doesn't change the fact that everything shown and every ability they had at their disposal is ineffective and would fail to kill Chariot, damage yeah, but kill? No. The time limit is a fallacy at that as well as the time limit didnt actually effect anything in the story or the interactions with Chariot in the long run, it's actually completely irrelevant to the topic. It'd be like saying the 5 minute time limit on namek somehow effected Freeza getting his arm broken, ribs shattered or getting bisected, because it didnt.

>Eficiente wrote: "destroy this=kill this character"=/=type 8 immortality, it needs to be the only way.

For one who was just complaining about the repeating of information you seem to do it a lot yourself. Made especially worse because that's a non argument, you're not even providing any evidence of your claims, only saying no, I don't wanna pull this but I'm shifting the burden on you, show case evidence that there exists other ways to kill Chariot as from what I see in the source material, there exists no such way and the manga does just about all it can to establish its direct connection to the light, how it functions and how it's generally unkillable bar destroying the light completely.

>Also the story also shows it as weak, slow and tangible, anyone can just beat it to death. If you want to go by interpretations of the story then one just as, if not more accurate would be that Stand users can't touch it due to his abilities but by destroying that light anyone can kill it. It's just a kill button, not the only way to kill it.

That's very dishonest Efi, you're ignoring the fact it only appeard slow and weak and that the story showed it to be unkillable despite those traits, also funnily enough Polnareff actually says that nobody in the world, stand user or normal human can approach the arrow (yes, nlf but it's more of me pointing out how flawed your statement is and that it's blatantly false) and even then, it was then showed to be quite fast and strong, to the point its sudden change in demeanor and speed shocked the cast and it was described as being fast and having incredible (physical) power upon getting serious. And it being tangible while true means what exactly? The answer is nothing, it doesn't effect if it does or doesnt have type 8.

>It's a kill button.

Yes, it is a kill button, because it is the shadow of the light, thus taking away the light will get rid of the shadow, while everything that we know of other then that can not. it's outright stated that its relation to the light is that the light is casting a shadow and the shadow is Chariot itself. Diavolo actually says it quite clearly. Honestly, case and point I'm repeating myself because your statements only facilitate the same responses.

>"destroy this=kill this character"=/=type 8 immortality, it needs to be the only way.

You keep saying that, and while that statement isn't untrue, it doesn't exactly apply here.

>This is way to poetic to what happened, I guess you are finding new ways to say it again?

Way to poetic? It is quite literally exactly what happened, in fact it' only poetic because that's how the manga explained it, if you have issues with it being poetic then take that up with Araki, not me. While I am repeating myself, it's mostly because the multiple points I'm referring to have the same needed reply, if you ask two questions but both have the same answer then expect to get the aswer twice, same goes with this. But ok, pretty sure that's a fallacy, the fallacy fallacy maybe? Maybe dipping into a strawman.

>It's not shown to be the only way to kill it, if that was the case this thread wouldn't exist.

Actually a lie, it i most certainly the only way shown, no oher way was even implied or hinted at being possible. But I'll bite, so what's the other way that was shown to be able to kill it because everything that was thrown at it failed to even slow it down for more than a second. Actually his thread exists because it was the only way shown to kill it, probably why OP decided that it should have type 8, unless you're referring to your disagreement, in which case that's why the thread is continuing, not why it exists.

>This is just exaggerated, "literally everything else" only makes it have Low-Mid regen, that's not a lot. Its ability to not be attacked by Stands was most of the deal anyway. The "blown up" is just a lie. Where does "total destruction of the head" come from? The "didn't even phase it" is just a lie. The rest is just speculation.

You say it's exaggerated yet that's literally what was shown, everything that was thrown at it failed to do any permanent damage. Actually it'd be at least Mid, possibly High-Mid given it literally had it's head blown out and was blown up eventually, with neither actually killing it. Blown up? When Diavolo damaged the light and Chariot literally spontaneously combusted? But didnt die because Diavolo didnt completely destroy the light and as such even that failed to kill it? But ok I guess I'm lying even though it happened but let's forget your baseless accusations for a second. I actually said total destruction of the head just about, meaning it was close but not quite, and refering to when Mista blew a huge hole through its head. No I stand by what I said, nothing they did from blowing its limbs off to putting a hole hole through its head so big that you could stick an arm through did nothing to it, its reaction to being shot through was to look at Mista then look away like nothing happened and having its limbs blown off? Well it didn't even react the second time and it didn't even slow it down mid attack, so yeah, I would say they failed to phase it. Speculation? Efi you have a serious issue with reading things in context, not everything is in a secluded vacuum, you have to actually read what's being said and take that along with what was shown to get a conclusion, you, while I may be wrong, seem to fail to do that. And nothing I've said is speculation for the most part, all damage did shit all, it's explicitly the shadow of one's soul casted by the light, the way to kill it is to completely destroy the light, everything I said has been shown and stated in the manga, you're actually speculating more than I am, ironic as that is.

Anyway

Diavolo explains that Chariot is the shadow casted by the light, and the damage to the light is 1:1 with Chariot, because Chariot is literally bound to the light.

Shown again to be 1:1 with the damage to the light but not only that, Bruno establishes that it's the way to defeat it and doing that is how you cease the soul fuckery only if you completely destroy it. It's pretty clear he isn't saying it's just some way to reach those results but rather the only way, in fact that was kinda the whole point of that arc, find the way to stop Chariot (in order to get the arrow), because the asshole just wouldnt stay down. It isn't some simple weakness like you're trying to make it out to be, it's outright said that Chariot is the shadow and the way to get rid of the shadow is to destroy the light, it isnt a way the but the way, and given nothing else prior was shown to do anything to it including having a hole blown through it's face and having its limbs blown off, even if it being blown apart incapable of moving failed to kill it, becuase the light wasnt completely destroyed

As such, with the evidence we have, excuse me for repeating myself once again but, all damage couldn't stop let alone kill it (including damage such as dismemberment, critical head damage and even having 70% (eyeballing) of its body blown to nothing), it is explicitly the shadow casted by the light and the light and Chariot are 1:1, the only way shown or stated to kill it is to completely destroy the light with not even a hint of anything else and not even the slightest hint of a contradiction (in fact it's quite consistent), I am led to believe that Chariot is unable to fully die as long as no light that is currently casting it isn't completely destroyed. Of course it can be heavily damaged, even to the point it is likely quite incapable of battle but said damage would not kill it, only the destruction of a light casting it would. Now it's a pretty ass version of Type 8 given that only one light needs to be destroyed for it to cease but from what has been shown, unless a light is destroyed it simply wont die. Now you may disagree, but you need to back up on the baseless accusations, complaining and actually give a proper justification on why it's wrong, especially now that you've made multiple claims that need backing with source material. And yes, I'm well aware of how long this post is as well as multiple things are repeated multiple times but better say everything than only a little, and the latter, well I've explained why twice in this post. Anyway, see ya in like a day when I check back.