Shulk vs Sailor Moon

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Lol that's the same reaction the villains said too.

Basically, the crystal is supposed to be immutable and unchanging and the same across all time. It's like a fixed point.

When the villains power nulled and negated sailor moons power, Neo Queen Serenity gave Sailor Moon an upgrade, and now the Crystals can send power from the past or future to itself if it gets negated in the present.

Basically, if the crystal in the present isn't working, the crystal in the past of future will work for it instead.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

4-D Omnipresent means that they're in the past and future as well sooooo….

 

[Schnee_One]

Incon FRA

moving on

 

[Bware1]

4-D Omnipresent means that they're in the past and future as well sooooo….

What he said, that's not really going to help her when fighting someone on that scale.Unless it has something else that hasn't been brought up yet, Voting Shulk.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Shulk has simultaneously powernulled a person in every single moment of time, at the same time?

The series if sailor moon, treats people in different times like their different people. Your past self can die while your future self still being alive.

 

[Bware1]

Again that's not going to matter against someone who has 4-D Omnipresence.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Have no trouble with it, and have they done it are two different things? And Silver Crystal is 5-D, as it's power can reach across time and into different spacetimes altogther.

 

[Schnee_One]

That is not 5D

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Yes, that isn't 5-D in the slightest.

I'm gonna vote Shulk for Bware's reasons.

 

[AgentJojoBerserk]

How do the votes stack up currently?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Okay so it's not 5D. Still, has shulk powernulled a source in every moment of time, simulstaneously, especially when that powersource can be in different spacetimes?

 

[Bware1]

How do the votes stack up currently?

2 votes for Shulk, none for Sailor Moon or Inconclusive

 

[The_Causality]

I have not enough time to elaborate so someone can tell me what are the arguments about Shulk/Usa?

 

[AgentJojoBerserk]

I can't really use my old account anymore, so if this gets concluded, then lets just get the votes added up and such.

 

[Bware1]

Nevermind forgot Schnee's vote. 1 vote for Inconclusive

 

[Schnee_One]

Usagi, none she really can't kill him

Shuk, people saying he eventually nulls and sense shut downs with precog

 

[The_Causality]

What are the level of the null? because Usagi have a lot of level of resistance against toward PNull. and she resist sense iirc.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Usagi can erase him.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

It actually doesn't matter for Usagi, Shulk can Res Negate it.

 

[Bware1]

Usagi can erase him.

She can, but she actually needs to hit him with it, which is going to be a problem thanks to passive precog and probability manip

 

[The_Causality]

It actually doesn't matter for Usagi, Shulk can Res Negate it.

Depend of the PNull he already negated, because usagi's resistance could be far higher what he can actually negate.

 

[Bware1]

What are the level of the null? because Usagi have a lot of level of resistance against toward PNull. and she resist sense iirc.

Resistance to Perception Manipulation isn't on her profile, nor is resistance to the last of Purge's effects.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Usagi erased Chaos who was effortlessly resisting High Godly erassure. And her erasure is thought based and her attack speed is immeasurable. She has negated fate and probability manipulation. And also has precog herself.

 

[Schnee_One]

Shulk is a type 2 Acausal so Type 2 is useless, Alvis can likely return Shulk.

And I have no idea why mentioning immesurable attack speed matters here.

 

[AgentJojoBerserk]

What happens if we unequalize speed?

 

[Bware1]

Usagi erased Chaos who was effortlessly resisting High Godly erassure. And her erasure is thought based and her attack speed is immeasurable. She has negated fate and probability manipulation. And also has precog herself.

1. Speed is Equalized, so that's a moot point. 2. Thought based attacks lose to Passive Precog in terms of speed. 3. Unless her Precog is on Shulk's level. It gets cancelled by Acasuality (Type 2).

 

[The_Causality]

Resistance to Perception Manipulation isn't on her profile, nor is resistance to the last of Purge's effects.

She recovered her perception against Metalia, it's noted as Statuts effect inducement, and she has Mid Godly, Sense preventing should not be a problem.

And that all he can do? please can you list what are his wincons? it should be better for me to answer in one reply.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I mention she has immeasurable because that means there's no travel time.

Since when do thought based attacks lose to passive precog? That's flawed line of logic. Just cause you can see something coming doesn't automatically mean you can stop it.

And her Regenerationn is now High Godly since the change to the Regenerationn page got updated. Has it not been changed on her profile?

 

[The_Causality]

her Regenerationn is now High Godly since the change to the Regenerationn page got updated. Has it not been changed on her profile?

I highly doubt of this claim.

But everything in it's time, you should ask an admin after the forum move.

 

[Schnee_One]

Thought based stuff has no travel time so yeah.

Alvis brings Shulk back, yeah, his precog does not matter

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Who is alvis?

 

[Schnee_One]

The character that brings Shulk back

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Shulk: look at standard equipment.

 

[Bware1]

I mention she has immeasurable because that means there's no travel time.
Since when do thought based attacks lose to passive precog? That's flawed line of logic. Just cause you can see something coming doesn't automatically mean you can stop it.

And her Regenerationn is now High Godly since the change to the Regenerationn page got updated. Has it not been changed on her profile?

You're joking right? What part of Speed is Equalized are you still not getting? Thought based means you need time to think before it's cast. Passive means it's already happening without you doing anything, which is much faster. Passive>Thought Based. It does mean you can avoid stuff, since everything Sailor Moon does will be seen ahead of time, and he has speed amps to boot.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Passive Precog doesn't mean he auto wins since the way he needs to beat her is via thought based stuff

 

[Bware1]

No one's arguing that it's an automatic win. What was being argued was that thought based stuff was faster than passive.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

No one's arguing that it's an automatic win. What was being argued was that thought based stuff was faster than passive.

Misunderstood, I agree with that

 

[Schnee_One]

"Just cause you can see something coming doesn't automatically mean you can stop it."

He never said thought based was passive

Yes, thought based erasure does win against passive precog since you can't stop it despite that

 

[Bware1]

He doesn't need to stop it, he can avoid it. Alvis can just teleport him out of the way.

 

[Schnee_One]

Telepot out of the way of thought based erasure that directly erases you is a no, there is no travel time and you can't dodge a thought based attack

Shulk will get erased, without question or doubt, Alvis can just bring him back