Shouldn't L and Light Be Extraordinary Geniuses?

[YungManzi]

I've always thought this, but just never bothered to actually discuss it here.

Based on the definitions given on the Intelligence page, Light and L far surpass genius, even using the information given on their pages.

"Genius: Individuals with an exceptional capacity for knowledge and intelligence, generally in one area of varying depth, often possessed by fictional scientists and strategists. This level of intelligence is the level of actual geniuses and famous intellectuals in the real world and, in lieu of better feats,"

Now let's have a look at their pages.

Light-"engineering a complex scheme in which he would give up the Death Note and his memories, only to reclaim them once suspicion was diverted."

This was a plan which spanned months and couldn't have been adjusted by light himself because he didn't even remember it, yet it all worked out with him retaining his memories without anyone suspecting anything.

And I ask myself if this is something someone could come up with irl in such a short amount of time.

L-"He is the true identity of the three most famous and influential detectives in the world [Erald Coyle, Deneuve, and himself], and can easily get top marks in all subjects in the prestigious university of Todai.)"

Being the true identity of the three most famous and influential detectives in the world is already quite unbelievable but there's also "can easily get top marks in all subjects in the prestigious university of Todai." which directly conflicts with the intelligence page's classification of genius which says "generally in one area of varying depth"

Near probably also scales to them, but who like Near?

 

[Eficiente]

No, normal humans could do the same. Please read what it takes to be an Extraordinary Genius, they are not in that level.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Like Junko Enoshima is an Extraordinary Genius.

 

[YungManzi]

No, normal humans could do the same. Please read what it takes to be an Extraordinary Genius, they are not in that level.

I had to read it before making this thread to make sure I wasn't missing something.

"Extraordinary Genius: Individuals whose knowledge spreads over many fields of science and who vastly surpass the intellects of the smartest humans on Earth. At this level, many are capable of creating futuristic technology, executing complex strategies even under high pressure, and potentially even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations, or outperforming supercomputers."

It just doesn't at all seem far out from what Light and L have displayed. Easily getting top marks in all subjects of a prestigious university doesn't count as "knowledge spreads over many fields of science"?

"executing complex strategies even under high pressure"-Is Light through and through.

I need an example of someone irl successfully coming up with a plan which manipulates the actions of dozens of people in order to clear their name, coming up with this plan within a few days to a week, and not being able to at all change or alter it for the entire period it lasted (Which was months).

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

An example of an Extraordinary Genius would be Katerina Donla. She created an anti-gravity device for use in a school project about the growth of protein crystals in zero gravity, instinctively understands both robotics and mechanical engineering, and is currently in the process of creating organic, robotic bodies that, once it possesses a conscious mind, are considered living beings by both the scientific and supernatural communities.

I don't think L and Light are quite up there yet.

 

[Bonus_Person]

Honestly Light is pretty dumb, he changed the Time of the Deaths only so L can deduce he was acess to police information and then they stopped publishing useful things there, he killed the FBI agents even through they were never a trouble, and anyone would have taken the Shinigami Eyes by the moment L said he suspects him.

Also in the last episode what was he going to do after killing matsuda and the others? Go to the task force and say "hey Kira killed everyone except me, let's continue the imvestigation anyways"?.

 

[YungManzi]

An example of an Extraordinary Genius would be Katerina Donla. She created an anti-gravity device for use in a school project about the growth of protein crystals in zero gravity, instinctively understands both robotics and mechanical engineering, and is currently in the process of creating organic, robotic bodies that, once it possesses a conscious mind, are considered living beings by both the scientific and supernatural communities.
I don't think L and Light are quite up there yet.

That's an example of scientific EG, which Light and L are not. they fall much more into the analytical category. More known for ingenious plans than outlandish creations.

Even if they don't fit into Exraordinary genius (Even though they certainly do, as per definition given on the page), they are far above genius, which is only on the level of real-world geniuses.

Also, @Bonus

Light is not stupid, most of the mistakes he made has to do with getting caught in a trap set by L, someone who's just as intelligent, or his god complex taking over...which led to him making some weird decisions.

 

[YungManzi]

Also, keep in mind, there are different tiers in Extraordinary genius. I'm not saying they're as intelligent as Batman or any other character (So please don't bring up other characters)

I'm saying that based on the definition, they fit into this category.

 

[ElixirBlue]

In terms of planning things out, Junko Enoshima is far superior to Light, as she outsmart other amazing Geniuses in her verse to destroy the world.

She would've never lost, much to her own disappointment, if Makoto didn't have broken Luck Hax and on par Empathetic Manipulation.

 

[YungManzi]

@Elixir Blue

Me:>" Please don't bring up other characters in comparison. I'm merely talking about the definition given on the intelligence page. Based on that definition, they both fit the bill."

You:> "Well they're not as smart as Junko Enoshima!"


.....bump btw.

 

[Antvasima]

They are not far more intelligent than Stephen Hawkings, Albert Einstein, Leonardo DaVinci, and similar, so they do not qualify. Sorry.

 

[YungManzi]

They are not far more intelligent than Stephen Hawkings, Albert Einstein, Leonardo DaVinci, and similar, so they do not qualify. Sorry.

I simply don't agree.

Sure, they don't measure up when it comes to science (which isn't what I'm arguing), but I would say they far outclass all of our real world geniuses with their analytical abilities.

For the reasons I've already given.

Edit:

I've never heard of real world people pulling off what L and Light could pull off.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Not really, no. Nothing done in death note is that incredible.

Impressive, but not superhuman.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, it takes considerably superhuman intelligence to qualify. They simply haven't gone that far. I think that you underestimate the capabilities of the most extremely intelligent real world humans.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Necro.

I feel like this may not be answered enough, since intelligence's definition and it's suggested ratings are very broad.

In order to be extraordinary genius, they would have to be superior to IRL geniuses that made world and fundementally science changing discoveries. Like here

L if his achievements were discovered post death, could revolutionize other genius detectives, but it's vague to say he's superhuman genius.

 

[MrTayman616]

An example of an Extraordinary Genius would be Katerina Donla. She created an anti-gravity device for use in a school project about the growth of protein crystals in zero gravity, instinctively understands both robotics and mechanical engineering, and is currently in the process of creating organic, robotic bodies that, once it possesses a conscious mind, are considered living beings by both the scientific and supernatural communities.

I don't think L and Light are quite up there yet.

Isn't her case more of a Technological? Ayanokoji might be a better example

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I'm not necessarily rooting for the proposal's acceptance, but I feel like the disagreements so far don't really understand the scope Light and L's intelligence.

Being a polymath only qualifies for the Genius rank, and having "exceptional or superhuman intelligence" without signs of the Extraordinary Genius' qualifications only qualifies for the Genius rank, but the idea that Light and L are polymaths and exceptional is only the surface. The problem is that they're no time machine creating super scientists that make things as clear as day, but that doesn't mean they don't fall under characters who are capable of executing complex strategies even under high pressure and accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations, both of which being characteristics of Extraordinary Genius ranked characters, albeit it's vague how complex the strategies need to be, how high the pressure needs to be, and how far into the future those predictions need to be.

Here are a few tidbits of how smart the characters are. I wrote them from memory, because gathering all the sources to cite them would be annoying.

• Light performed all his feats unrelated to being Kira casually. Light got the best grades nationally (including qualifying for university), helped the police solve criminal cases they struggled with, was a tennis champion, and knows enough about romance to easily get dates with women, yet he was bored. This boredom is what got him starting to think about what if some people who didn't contribute as much as him just disappeared and what if dangerous criminals were killed more. By the time he was Kira and L was trying to discover him, Light actively wanted to kill L, not because that was a safer choice, but because Light wanted to prove to himself he could overcome such a worthy opponent as the greatest detective. It was like a death game to him, freeing him from the loneliness of fodderizing normal life.
• Throughout the entirety of his appearance in Death Note, L was sleep deprived and supposedly never had a proper meal instead of miscellaneous sugary nibbles. This includes when L was doing his detective work.
• As L's profile includes, "L's intelligence was equivalent to that of five ordinary investigative bureaus and seven intelligence agencies, with his intellect further increasing by several notches before facing Kira." This is extraordinary, and his intelligence is kind of treated like a stat that increases to super high lengths.
• The famous potato chip scene is a great example of Light's skill if you really think about it. There were tens of hidden cameras all around Light's room, and Light had to pretend he didn't know about it while being watched by the highly observant L. In one hand, Light was solving math equations to look like he was studying for his university entrance exam, while simultaneously in his other hand, he was using a piece of his Death Note hidden inside a chip bag to kill criminals being broadcasted on a mini TV that was also hidden in the bag. Light had planned the entire scenario in case he had to use his Death Note without being seen, and L didn't notice anything amiss. L even thought that if Kira was among the people he surveilled, then his psyche has reached a god-like level, judging and killing people with not even the slightest change in facial expression.
• By the time Near was introduced, Light successfully replaced L as the greatest detective in the world while still being Kira and working with his task force to try stopping Kira. Light kept his role for years despite not inheriting L's fortune.

My conclusion is that I wouldn't mind a solid "at least" in front of the "Genius" ranks of Light, L and Near.

 

[Ezaru]

Seems like the gap between tiers for intelegence may be too big

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Yung is going to have a weird look after I necroed this thread lol . At least we're giving them answers.

 

[Antvasima]

I'm not necessarily rooting for the proposal's acceptance, but I feel like the disagreements so far don't really understand the scope Light and L's intelligence.

Being a polymath only qualifies for the Genius rank, and having "exceptional or superhuman intelligence" without signs of the Extraordinary Genius' qualifications only qualifies for the Genius rank, but the idea that Light and L are polymaths and exceptional is only the surface. The problem is that they're no time machine creating super scientists that make things as clear as day, but that doesn't mean they don't fall under characters who are capable of executing complex strategies even under high pressure and accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations, both of which being characteristics of Extraordinary Genius ranked characters, albeit it's vague how complex the strategies need to be, how high the pressure needs to be, and how far into the future those predictions need to be.

Here are a few tidbits of how smart the characters are. I wrote them from memory, because gathering all the sources to cite them would be annoying.

• Light performed all his feats unrelated to being Kira casually. Light got the best grades nationally (including qualifying for university), helped the police solve criminal cases they struggled with, was a tennis champion, and knows enough about romance to easily get dates with women, yet he was bored. This boredom is what got him starting to think about what if some people who didn't contribute as much as him just disappeared and what if dangerous criminals were killed more. By the time he was Kira and L was trying to discover him, Light actively wanted to kill L, not because that was a safer choice, but because Light wanted to prove to himself he could overcome such a worthy opponent as the greatest detective. It was like a death game to him, freeing him from the loneliness of fodderizing normal life.
• Throughout the entirety of his appearance in Death Note, L was sleep deprived and supposedly never had a proper meal instead of miscellaneous sugary nibbles. This includes when L was doing his detective work.
• As L's profile includes, "L's intelligence was equivalent to that of five ordinary investigative bureaus and seven intelligence agencies, with his intellect further increasing by several notches before facing Kira." This is extraordinary, and his intelligence is kind of treated like a stat that increases to super high lengths.
• The famous potato chip scene is a great example of Light's skill if you really think about it. There were tens of hidden cameras all around Light's room, and Light had to pretend he didn't know about it while being watched by the highly observant L. In one hand, Light was solving math equations to look like he was studying for his university entrance exam, while simultaneously in his other hand, he was using a piece of his Death Note hidden inside a chip bag to kill criminals being broadcasted on a mini TV that was also hidden in the bag. Light had planned the entire scenario in case he had to use his Death Note without being seen, and L didn't notice anything amiss. L even thought that if Kira was among the people he surveilled, then his psyche has reached a god-like level, judging and killing people with not even the slightest change in facial expression.
• By the time Near was introduced, Light successfully replaced L as the greatest detective in the world while still being Kira and working with his task force to try stopping Kira. Light kept his role for years despite not inheriting L's fortune.

My conclusion is that I wouldn't mind a solid "at least" in front of the "Genius" ranks of Light, L and Near.

Well, I suppose that " At least Genius, likely Extraordinary Genius" seems warranted for them then.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Well, I suppose that " At least Genius, likely Extraordinary Genius" seems warranted for them then.

I'm not prepared to make such a revision, since I didn't gather all the evidence I need, but thanks for considering my idea. Also, I believe "possibly" instead of "likely" would be more accurate, since despite what I described, genius intelligence in Death Note is generally written in a more realistic fashion than that of many other characters we rank as Extraordinary Genius.

Though, I've gathered the evidence for an example I didn't previously mention of the extreme end of intelligence in Death Note. I'll post it in a separate reply.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

The character Stephen Gevanni was able to make a fake version of Teru Mikami's Death Note in one night, including replicating his handwriting perfectly and writing all the countless names that were written. Evidence:

Source: Death Note, Volume 12, Chapter 103, Declaration.

This went undetected despite Teru Mikami having made his own fake version of his Death Note using a microscope, and according to Light before he became aware of the entire real Death Note being forged, "it's impossible to replace the pages without leaving any traces of tampering, and Mikami's very observant, so it was easy for him to recognize when you had done it." Evidence:

Source: Death Note, Volume 12, Chapter 102, Patience.

All the aforementioned was just one element in the precautions Light and Near took against each other, but of course, this alone doesn't mean they are as skilled as Gevanni. However, while they aren't revealed to have Gevanni's forgery skill, they are revealed to have his level of proficiency in some of the skills they do possess. Death Note 13: How to Read, the encyclopedia book for the series, has official character profiles with radar charts depicting their stats. Gevanni has 10/10 imitation skill. Light has 10/10 creativity, motivation, social life and acting skills. L and Near have 10/10 creativity and motivation. Light and Near have 9/10 general knowledge, which is mistranslated as "intelligence" in the English version, and which is the highest knowledge level revealed to be possessed by humans in the series, with the two being the only ones who have it. Evidence:

The only character in the series who has their knowledge confirmed to be rated 10/10 is Nu, a Shinigami who is inapplicable for a curiosity measurement. Evidence:

 

[MrTayman616]

The character Stephen Gevanni was able to make a fake version of Teru Mikami's Death Note in one night, including replicating his handwriting perfectly and writing all the countless names that were written. Evidence:

Source: Death Note, Volume 12, Chapter 103, Declaration.

This went undetected despite Teru Mikami having made his own fake version of his Death Note using a microscope, and according to Light before he became aware of the entire real Death Note being forged, "it's impossible to replace the pages without leaving any traces of tampering, and Mikami's very observant, so it was easy for him to recognize when you had done it." Evidence:

Source: Death Note, Volume 12, Chapter 102, Patience.

All the aforementioned was just one element in the precautions Light and Near took against each other, but of course, this alone doesn't mean they are as skilled as Gevanni. However, while they aren't revealed to have Gevanni's forgery skill, they are revealed to have his level of proficiency in some of the skills they do possess. Death Note 13: How to Read, the encyclopedia book for the series, has official character profiles with radar charts depicting their stats. Gevanni has 10/10 imitation skill. Light has 10/10 creativity, motivation, social life and acting skills. L and Near have 10/10 creativity and motivation. Light and Near have 9/10 general knowledge, which is mistranslated as "intelligence" in the English version, and which is the highest knowledge level revealed to be possessed by humans in the series, with the two being the only ones who have it. Evidence:

The only character in the series who has their knowledge confirmed to be rated 10/10 is Nu, a Shinigami who is inapplicable for a curiosity measurement. Evidence:

Yeah. the mistranslation (intellgence --> knowledge) should be fixed from the intelligence sections of the characters.

Also if you want more feat, statement or something like that. You can check Death note: Another note. there are already some statements from it that are added to L's section, so i think it should be fine.

It could add better feats and statements to L, or simply upscaling from literally any feat in there since he's much superior to B.B + has been stated to be the most intelligent character in the series. Would also make "possibly" section more believable for other characters as well.

 

[Antvasima]

I'm not prepared to make such a revision, since I didn't gather all the evidence I need, but thanks for considering my idea. Also, I believe "possibly" instead of "likely" would be more accurate, since despite what I described, genius intelligence in Death Note is generally written in a more realistic fashion than that of many other characters we rank as Extraordinary Genius.

Though, I've gathered the evidence for an example I didn't previously mention of the extreme end of intelligence in Death Note. I'll post it in a separate reply.

I am fine with if you consider "possibly" to be more reasonable to use.

It seems like Near and Light are officially slightly more intelligent than L.

 

[Spicy78]

It seems like Near and Light are officially slightly more intelligent than L.

actually, they're not. in the guidebook, "intelligence" is a mistranslation of "knowledge" (the original japanese text was 知識 (chisiki, knowledge), not 知能 (chinou, intelligence). furthermore, afaik, it doesn't even span general knowledge, just knowledge on the kira case in particular

i'd say L = light > near

 

[MrTayman616]

It seems like Near and Light are officially slightly more intelligent than L.

It's knowledge, not intelligence. The author himself stated that L is the most intelligent charcater in the series.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Noted.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

furthermore, afaik, it doesn't even span general knowledge, just knowledge on the kira case in particular

I have reason to believe this is false. Raye Penber and Naomi Misora are ranked 7/10 in knowledge even though Naomi discovered a lot more about the Kira case than Raye, and 7/10 knowledge is higher than that of multiple more prominent characters who were part of the Kira investigation team and who discovered that Light was Kira along with discovering Shinigami and how Death Notes work, having survived through the entire series.

Evidence:

(Source: Death Note 13: How to Read)

 

[MrTayman616]

I have reason to believe this is false. Raye Penber and Naomi Misora are ranked 7/10 in knowledge even though Naomi discovered a lot more about the Kira case than Raye, and 7/10 knowledge is higher than that of multiple more prominent characters who were part of the Kira investigation team and who discovered that Light was Kira along with discovering Shinigami and how Death Notes work, having survived through the entire series.

Evidence:

(Source: Death Note 13: How to Read)

Knowledge part should be ignored in my opinion. since we don't even know what it is for.

 

[MrTayman616]

L was so smart and exceptionally talented that while he was still a child, even for Watari, the genius and the greatest inventor in the world, he was so outstanding that he wanted to make a copy. But even the closest ones who reached him, Near and Mello, being far inferior to him. in Mello's words "The closer they were, The farther away he was, like chasing a mirage"

L constantly solves many difficult cases at the same time, and he alone is the reason why the crime rate all over the world is lower by a few dozen percentage points.
In the public record alone he solved over 3,500 difficult crimes (only L name included), with that number being much higher with the other identities he uses and the ones that isn't public. with him having possessing many other detective codes, World top three detective included, and solving cases with them and keeping them active. which the amount of the detective codes he has and uses are at least three digits' worth according to Mello.

Instantly solved the crossword puzzle Beyond Birthday prepared that was so difficult no one could solve it, several policemen working together were unable to solve the puzzle and give up. After Naomi Misora saw the puzzle, she thought that it was extremely hard. The clues looked so frustrating that most people would give up before even trying to crack any of them.

L's brain capacity and analytical ability is so high that he is able to monitor multiple computer screens at once (50 monitors?), can understand them perfectly, has the ability of absorbing large amounts of information all at once.

L can seemingly perfectly reconstructure the crime scene just based on explanations.

Became the greatest detective of the century at the age of 8 (when he was eight years old, the case that gave birth to the century's greatest detective, the Winchester Mad Bombings that occurred just after the third World War.) when he pretended the outbreak of world war 3.

BB who was acting like L to fool Naomi, makes L seem to have a seemingly photographic memory, reading speed so fast that he went through all 376 pages book remarkably quickly and memorized all of them, in less than five minutes, memorizing all the contents of every page perfectly.

Should be at least comparable if not superior to Light, who's shown to be executing complex strategies even under high pressure.

 

[Spicy78]

I have reason to believe this is false. Raye Penber and Naomi Misora are ranked 7/10 in knowledge even though Naomi discovered a lot more about the Kira case than Raye, and 7/10 knowledge is higher than that of multiple more prominent characters who were part of the Kira investigation team and who discovered that Light was Kira along with discovering Shinigami and how Death Notes work, having survived through the entire series.

this isn't really relevant to the discussion, but i think that L should be the character with the most amount of knowledge in the series. the guide book says it's light, but from a narrative standpoint that's just not true

it's stated multiple times that L is the greatest detective in the world, with detectives needing to be knowledgeable in fields such as psychology, law and criminology. furthermore, he's also fluent in japanese, has more experience than light (which means more knowledge: the bigger your age is the more knowledge you acquire) as he's older than him and he was also able to get a perfect score in the entrance exams in the university of todai, meaning he actually shares knowledge with light on fields like math, science, and every other subject that light chose to apply for in the exam

afaik, the only thing that light showed to be knowledgeable about that L didn't was engineering, and even then only he showed limited skills (via the drawer trap). for anything else i dare to say that L literally has the same amount of knowledge that light has and more

if anything, this actually is relevant ot the discussion. if the knowledge section actually refers to knowledge itself, then it straight up contradicts the plot. if it refers to knowledge on the kira case in particular, then it shouldn't be taken into account

Knowledge part should be ignored in my opinion. since we don't even know what it is for.

i agree, it makes things way simpler

 

[MrTayman616]

Wammy house's education system: There was no formal school or academic departments at Wammy's. Instead, university professors, researchers, and top specialists in their fields from around the world were invited to give individual instruction to the children according to their abilities and potential.

Also L is capable of giving percentages through mental calculations, doesn't it show that he's capable of understanding every probability and give an answer based on it? shows it both in manga and novels.

 

[Da3ggman]

Tbh L being smarter than "five ordinary investigative bureaus and seven intelligence agencies" by the time he faces Kira should already be enough for extraordinary genius.

Again, he'd be smarter than ******* 5 FBIs and 7 CIAs combined, and he grows even smarter than that over the course of the story, let alone the passive growth had since before he took the Kira case. No one on the planet even comes close to that level, and it is probably impossible.

 

[MrTayman616]

Tbh L being smarter than "five ordinary investigative bureaus and seven intelligence agencies" by the time he faces Kira should already be enough for extraordinary genius.

L is smarter than that before facing kira. He was smarter than several number added to that when he faced kira.

 

[Antvasima]

L was so smart and exceptionally talented that while he was still a child, even for Watari, the genius and the greatest inventor in the world, he was so outstanding that he wanted to make a copy. But even the closest ones who reached him, Near and Mello, being far inferior to him. in Mello's words "The closer they were, The farther away he was, like chasing a mirage"

L constantly solves many difficult cases at the same time, and he alone is the reason why the crime rate all over the world is lower by a few dozen percentage points.
In the public record alone he solved over 3,500 difficult crimes (only L name included), with that number being much higher with the other identities he uses and the ones that isn't public. with him having possessing many other detective codes, World top three detective included, and solving cases with them and keeping them active. which the amount of the detective codes he has and uses are at least three digits' worth according to Mello.

Instantly solved the crossword puzzle Beyond Birthday prepared that was so difficult no one could solve it, several policemen working together were unable to solve the puzzle and give up. After Naomi Misora saw the puzzle, she thought that it was extremely hard. The clues looked so frustrating that most people would give up before even trying to crack any of them.

L's brain capacity and analytical ability is so high that he is able to monitor multiple computer screens at once (50 monitors?), can understand them perfectly, has the ability of absorbing large amounts of information all at once.

L can seemingly perfectly reconstructure the crime scene just based on explanations.

Became the greatest detective of the century at the age of 8 (when he was eight years old, the case that gave birth to the century's greatest detective, the Winchester Mad Bombings that occurred just after the third World War.) when he pretended the outbreak of world war 3.

BB who was acting like L to fool Naomi, makes L seem to have a seemingly photographic memory, reading speed so fast that he went through all 376 pages book remarkably quickly and memorized all of them, in less than five minutes, memorizing all the contents of every page perfectly.

Should be at least comparable if not superior to Light, who's shown to be executing complex strategies even under high pressure.

That is sufficient to qualify for Extraordinary Genius for L, but I do not remember Light having any intelligence feats anywhere nearly approaching the scale you described above.

 

[MrTayman616]

That is sufficient to qualify for Extraordinary Genius for L, but I do not remember Light having any intelligence feats anywhere nearly approaching the scale you described above.

That is true. Light at most applies for possibly. His feats are getting full scores on the national exam, being able to somewhat fight against L, making complex plans ("engineering a complex scheme in which he would give up the Death Note and his memories, only to reclaim them once suspicion was diverted. which the plan happened for months") while under high pressure, being threatened by Rem and about to get caught by L at the same time. seemingly superior to Mello and Near, L's successors which they are geniuses as well.

He currently has "at least Genius" which is seemingly more suitable rather than Extraordinary. Maybe "possibly" based on his plan(overrated :d)

 

[Antvasima]

I honestly think that he should just receive a regular "Genius" rating, given his complete lack of feats of anywhere near L's scale.

 

[MrTayman616]

I honestly think that he should just receive a regular "Genius" rating, given his complete lack of feats of anywhere near L's scale.

That seems better. I don't even know why he got "at least Genius" stat. I'd say because of his plan(overrated), or being the best student in japan + his social stats?

Even then Genius seems more suitable.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, agreed.

Is somebody willing to apply the accepted revisions from this thread to the affected wiki pages? You will have to include the greatest intelligence feats mentioned here as justifications.

 

[MrTayman616]

Yes, agreed.

Is somebody willing to apply the accepted revisions from this thread to the affected wiki pages? You will have to include the greatest intelligence feats mentioned here as justifications.

Is something like this fine?

Intelligence: Extraordinary Genius (L is the mastermind behind the world's three most renowned and influential detectives: Eraldo Coil, Deneuve, and himself. He effortlessly achieves top marks in every subject at the prestigious University of Todai. L has been acclaimed as "the greatest mind in the world". He efficiently operated a helicopter using only his intuition. L was so exceptionally smart and talented that even as a child, L managed to increase Watari's stocks by 20,000 times their original value within just two years. Subsequently, L solved a murder case that had no apparent clues without physically going to the crime scene. even for Watari, the genius and greatest inventor in the world, L's extraordinary intellectual abilities were so outstanding to the point that he wished to make a copy of him. However, even the ones who were said to be closest to him, Near and Mello, were far inferior to him. Which Mello claims "The closer we got, the farther away he was, like chasing a mirage". L constantly solves numerous difficult cases simultaneously, and he alone is the reason why the global crime rate is lower by a few dozen percentage points. According to public records alone, he has solved over 3,500 difficult crimes. However, the true number is much higher, as there are cases he solved under his other aliases and those not publicly documented. L also operates under multiple detective identities, including the world’s top three detectives, using these personas to solve cases. According to Mello, the number of detective codes L possesses and keeps active is at least in the triple digits. Became the greatest detective of the century at the age of 8, when he prevented the outbreak of World War III. Instantly solved the crossword puzzle Beyond Birthday prepared that was so difficult no one could solve it, several policemen working together were unable to solve the puzzle and gave up. After Naomi Misora saw the puzzle, she thought that it was extremely hard. The clues looked so frustrating that most people would give up before even trying to crack any of them. Beyond Birthday, who was acting like L to fool Naomi, makes L seem to have a seemingly photographic memory, with a reading speed so fast that he went through all 376 pages of the book remarkably quickly and memorized all of them in less than five minutes, perfectly memorizing the contents of every page. L can seemingly perfectly reconstructure the crime scene just based on explanations. His brain capacity and analytical ability is so high that he is able to monitor multiple computer screens at once, can understand them perfectly, has the ability of absorbing large amounts of information all at once. L is capable of giving percentages through mental calculations, showing that he's capable of understanding every probability and give an answer based on it. By the time he confronted Beyond Birthday, L's intelligence was equivalent to that of five ordinary investigative bureaus and seven intelligence agencies, with his intellect further increasing by several notches before facing Kira. Was stated by Ohba to be the smartest character in the series.)