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The profile is allowable imoWhat do you think should be done here?
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The profile is allowable imoWhat do you think should be done here?
As I've already kinda addressed, especially when it's too closely related to the God from the Bible, it would be at the same level as trying to index a family member into a battle wiki in the eyes of a Christian, which wouldn't make any sense at all to why that would be fineWell, I do not truly mind on a personal level, and I have an extremely hard time seeing how God would care about us featuring this page
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
We index Record of Ragnarok and the many divine characters there. Indexing Dante's Inferno is functionally no different. Not a single reference in that sandbox points to the Bibble, as far as I can tell, just to a piece of fiction that is inspired by the Bible. We also have a profile for God from Bruce Almighty who is explicitly the God of the Bible in the film.As I've already kinda addressed, especially when it's too closely related to the God from the Bible, it would be at the same level as trying to index a family member into a battle wiki in the eyes of a Christian, which wouldn't make any sense at all to why that would be fine
This is also written in the Bible, giving God "stats" and making a profile for him in a place meant for powerscaling and battles is simply disrespectful and I don't see how you wouldn't be able to see that
This how I view it for that specific sandbox
Bruce Almighty is clearly way different from the God in the Bible... How are you comparing that to the Bible at all? No christian would ever see the God from the Bible in that profileWe index Record of Ragnarok and the many divine characters there. Indexing Dante's Inferno is functionally no different. Not a single reference in that sandbox points to the Bibble, as far as I can tell, just to a piece of fiction that is inspired by the Bible. We also have a profile for God from Bruce Almighty who is explicitly the God of the Bible in the film.
Does Bruce Almighty's God not introduce himself as the "Alpha and Omega", the "creator of the heavens and earth"? Does he not instruct Evan to create an Ark to save two of every animal?Bruce Almighty is clearly way different from the God in the Bible... How are you comparing that to the Bible at all? No christian would ever see the God from the Bible in that profile
There are differences of course because it's not an actual religious text, but the divines in Record of Ragnarok are clearly meant to be the real things, not imitations or imposters.Record of Ragnarok also are very much different to their respective religion both in looks and how they act, would be quite disrespectful to say that those gods are the same ones as the ones on the religious texts
There's a clear difference in making a character be similar to a god then it is to make profile from a fictional setting that's taken from the Bible not just inspired... The names of The Father, The son and The Holy Spirit wouldn't be there then which is directly taken from the Bible
Because it isn't...? It's a human actor, trying to act similar to the one from the Bible...Does Bruce Almighty's God not introduce himself as the "Alpha and Omega", the "creator of the heavens and earth"? Does he not instruct Evan to create an Ark to save two of every animal?
How is this not meant to be the biblical God?
But they simply are imitations and imposters outside of the verse... as you said "because it's not an actual religious text"There are differences of course because it's not an actual religious text, but the divines in Record of Ragnarok are clearly meant to be the real things, not imitations or imposters.
That's a pretty ridiculous distinction to make.Because it isn't...? It's a human actor, trying to act similar to the one from the Bible...
The other is to take the God from the Bible and put it in the setting of Divine Comedy, it's way different
Then why can't we say the say from Dante's Divine Comedy? Just treat it as a fictional imitation.But they simply are imitations and imposters outside of the verse... as you said "because it's not an actual religious text"
I don't think you can equate a profile of a character that says "I'm God, build an Ark, do miracles" with a character where more than half of the profile is reworded texts of the bibleDoes Bruce Almighty's God not introduce himself as the "Alpha and Omega", the "creator of the heavens and earth"? Does he not instruct Evan to create an Ark to save two of every animal?
How is this not meant to be the biblical God?
Because it isn't only a "fictional imitation" when things are taken from the Bible and placed on the SettingThen why can't we say the say from Dante's Divine Comedy? Just treat it as a fictional imitation.
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Once they're put into the setting, those things are then fictional in the context of the setting. Like how you can have the real-life Jesus, but if you then introduce a fictional character in a series who is called Jesus, then that Jesus becomes fictional.Because it isn't only a "fictional imitation" when things are taken from the Bible and placed on the Setting
So long as those titles are listed in the Divine Comedy, then they're fine to list.Yeah literally saying like half of the name section of this character alone not directed towards God is a sin
Like come on
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Personally I don't see a difference. But if there are people who do see a difference, and wouldn't feel comfortable with such a profile... Then they're not required to look at, work on or edit the profile(s) in question.I don't think you can equate a profile of a character that says "I'm God, build an Ark, do miracles" with a character where more than half of the profile is reworded texts of the bible
Much of these are Dante's original titles for God, and we have profiles that arguably do worse (Shin Megami Tensei features all of the names of God as entities on their own right, up to and including the Tetragrammaton, of all things), so, I don't believe that, in particular, is a very good objection.Yeah literally saying like half of the name section of this character alone not directed towards God is a sin
Like come on
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I have permission from Ultima to bring this up.
Wouldn't something like Eru from LotR also necessarily have to be deleted since Eru is quite explicitly and literally meant to be Tolkiens catholic view of God while also having a largely accurate theological conformation to God. While some of the creation myth of LotR is more different and fantastic, Eru himself is still meant to accurately depict the catholic view of God and "literally" be Him.
We removed Logan Paul's WWE character self from the wiki in its entirety because he's too similar to the Logan Paul of the real world.Once they're put into the setting, those things are then fictional in the context of the setting. Like how you can have the real-life Jesus, but if you then introduce a fictional character in a series who is called Jesus, then that Jesus becomes fictional.
If you can separate reality and fiction, then there shouldn't really be any issue with respecting the real-life biblical God and entertaining the notion of a fictional God from a different piece of media.
So long as those titles are listed in the Divine Comedy, then they're fine to list.
If any of those titles come exclusively from the Bible, then those ones would be removed.
Personally I don't see a difference. But if there are people who do see a difference, and wouldn't feel comfortable with such a profile... Then they're not required to look at, work on or edit the profile(s) in question.
If a devout Muslim takes offense at the existence of South Park because of that shows blasphemous history, then they're not obligated to view or edit any South Park profiles on the wiki.
I'd say so, yeah.We removed Logan Paul's WWE character self from the wiki in its entirety because he's too similar to the Logan Paul of the real world.
We giving a God profile more leniency than Logan Paul?
I did not give you permission, btw.I have permission from Ultima to chat and chime my opinion.
Yeah, if true this is honestly the single best point brought up in here, I'd say. We already obviously are to consider actual religious figures as being, so to say, in a separate category from fictional characters, much like real people are. Hence we don't index them at all, even if the wiki as a secular environment obviously considers the matter of their existence as simply outside its scope.We removed Logan Paul's WWE character self from the wiki in its entirety because he's too similar to the Logan Paul of the real world.
We giving a God profile more leniency than Logan Paul?
I don't think responding to people seeing a profile as disrespectful to their religion by essentially going "sucks to suck" is a good look at allPeople are entitled to consider the profiles disrespectful and they can view it as sinful all they want.
But VSBW is not a theocracy.
There is no way that we shouldn't index a fictional character because some people would consider it a sin.
At that point we may as well remove all reference to God or any Gods from the wiki.
(Actual Christian speaking btw, don't power scale God)
Tbf missionaries power scaled Jesus to convince the Norse to convert
YeaGenuinely, what the hell?
The stylized figure shows Christ as the god of kings, a victorious god with a crown on his head, eyes open and dressed in royal robes. The victorious Christ is only depicted like this in the Nordic countries. Viking gods distinguished themselves as strong warriors. This is why Christ was depicted in the North as the god who conquered death. The Asagods could not do that. This made Christ more attractive to the Vikings.
I don't think it fully means that the statement is mainly about having respect for God's name, He is both our Lord and Savior after allWell, I think that not taking God's name in vain was intended to mean not pretending to speak for God, such as justifying a horrible war with lots of innocent victims on religious grounds, or otherwise justifying evil atrocities in this manner.
It doesn't particularly matter to me that it isn't a good look. I do not care what certain belief systems categorize as a sin and I make no apology for that.I don't think responding to people seeing a profile as disrespectful to their religion by essentially going "sucks to suck" is a good look at all
It's about offending our users that have these beliefs. I don't care if you're not Christian, that's still worth considering when it directly involves a community that has a ton of Christian members. And if you still don't care and still want to die on this hill, I hope you don't act surprised when some consider what you're saying insensitiveIt doesn't particularly matter to me that it isn't a good look. I do not care what certain belief systems categorize as a sin and I make no apology for that.
This is the last time that I will say this because I don’t think you fully understand, from the way I see it thoIf several users who are devout Muslims asked us to delete the South Park profiles because they were offended by the show, should we delete them? What makes them being offended less worthwhile than other users?
The issue isn't whether the depiction is "faithful" (which is false) or not. At the end of the day, it's a caricature of God. I and likely many other Christians would consider this far worse than Dark Materials and American Gods due to the fact that it's trying to portray God himself. Allowing this to go through is like the biggest form of disrespect one can show toward Christianity and the people who follow Christ.Yeah, it's a fictional version of God that happens to be a positive or faithful (In good way) to the Christian pantheon. And mainly resembles the Catholic churches portrayal. It's not like Ten Commandments, Prince of Egypt, or Passion of the Christ which are movies that are basically live action adaptations. Divine Comedy also features plenty of original characters iirc. I am also pretty sure most Christians would fine His Dark Materials or the American Gods portrayals of Biblical figures to be far more offensive than Divine Comedy's.
"VSBW is not a theocracy" and can't prevent blatant disrespect toward the identity, belief system, and way of life of billions of people but then in the same breath can ban individuals for sharing their own disrespectful opinions? Sounds oddly convenient.People are entitled to consider the profiles disrespectful and they can view it as sinful all they want.
But VSBW is not a theocracy.
There is no way that we shouldn't index a fictional character because some people would consider it a sin.
That is exactly what you're doing. Completely disregarding the fact that possibly hundreds of users would feel disrespected and uncomfortable if the profile were to be made because you simply don't care is an abuse of your privilege to vote and is as good as spitting in their faces.While I may be insensitive when it comes to belief systems, I don't intend any disrespect towards specific users here.