Should Seiya lose his High Regen?

[PaChi2]

Pegasus Seiya

From Sage God Slayer:

"The reason you don't see everyone getting their atoms destroyed is because Cosmo protects against that and 7th sense users can go beyond just mere protection and actually recreate their atoms which is where you get the High regen from."

Okay, let me be blunt, I was told in the Acacia thread that regenerating from atomic destruction is not High unless you are turn into actual atoms.

So... this High regen should go if there is no a feat of coming back from being turned into atoms, I think.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It comes from Episode G. Leo Aiolia has his arm sliced and his heart pierced on an atomic level. He grits his teeth and burns his cosmos and the split atoms literally re-attach themselves regenerating his body.

 

[PaChi2]

I saw that. Aiolia doesnt have High regen. And pulling attoms to reattach the arm I dont believe is a High level regen feat.

Slicing an arm normally or atomically is the same.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

not really. If your regenerating isn't High you won't be able to re-attach skin which was destroyed on an atomic level. The Saints have localized High Regen.

 

[PaChi2]

So you are telling me that reattaching an arm is > recreating the arm?

I will need more people to agree with that, sorry.

High: Able to regenerate from a single molecule/atom/particle.

 

[Bepo4151]

doesn't seam like high regen i agree with pachi

 

[Kaltias]

Regenerating your arm after its atomized is Low-Mid.

High is regenerating after nothing is left excluding a molecule/atom/quark etc.

Regen that works on a atomic level =/= regen that can bring you back after you are only a atom

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

If High is getting regenerated from a single atom, then regenerating on an atomic level should be localized Mid-High

 

[Antoniofer]

Yeah, going to agree with PaChi and Kaltias, regenerate a limb from another source of mass is Low-Mid to Mid (if it includes the head), independently of how works the Regenerationn. Now that you mentioned it, any time someone recreate a limb technically you are regenerating/duplicating/creating atoms.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

But no limb is being recreated my dudes. Saints are not Wolverines.

Aiolia literally manipulates the lingering atoms which were split and rebinds them.

Their Regenerationn works completely differently from conventional ones.

 

[The_Everlasting]

If Seiya is hit with an attack that reduces him to a single atom, will he regenerate? If no, it's not High.

 

[Kaltias]

Regenerating on a atomic level is more "atomic hax is moot because I reattach them anyway", but I think that otherwise it's just rated as regular destruction.

Like, Sayaka has Mid regen that stems from her crystallized soul, but doesn't mean that she has Low-Godly for now ovo

 

[Sage_God_Slayer]

@Matt,

Didn't Aspros who was reduced to quantum particles and sent to another dimension without space and time and was able to regenerate his body. Then Shion who was was hit by the same move and erased was seen full regenerated the moment after the move was done when Aspros came through space-time with Shion and Dohko in his arms. Then Shaka who was destroyed by AE regenerated his entire body in the Underworld.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yes, he did. Also Shaka did the same, and so did Hecate.

 

[PaChi2]

Scans would be appreciated.

@Sage Shaka's feat, if legit, would be low to mid-godly regen for any 8th sense user, which is ridiculous.

 

[PaChi2]

Because, as you well know, Saints have resistance to having their atoms destroyed, so Yoma's Marvelous Room would not turn Aspros into quantum particles (which is the most likely), you know. I dont remember the scene, but if we only see Aspros disappear in the Vortex, its not good enough.

Shaka sacrificed himself to go the underworld because he had awakened the 8th sense and therefore when dying he didnt become a soul, he stayed alive in the underworld. That's the whole point of Athena killing herself, its not Regenerationn. Shaka didnt regenerate, that's for sure.

 

[PaChi2]

In fact, I could bring all the scans of Gold Saints not having High regen to the point that scaling seiya's regen to a feat performed by Aspros is not usable. If anyone has High regen is Aspros, and not everyone.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Why not? Aspros regenerated from atoms.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Shaka sacrificed himself to go the underworld because he had awakened the 8th sense and therefore when dying he didnt become a soul, he stayed alive in the underworld. That's the whole point of Athena killing herself, its not Regenerationn. Shaka didnt regenerate, that's for sure.

He did. Or else he would re-materialize his body and Cloth in the Underworld, he'd be a ghoulish soul.

8th Sense reforms your body in the Underworld when you die.

 

[PaChi2]

That's Low to mid godly regen @Matt Given that saints can destroy souls, shaka's own soul would have been destroyed. And still, its in the underwoeld so eh. Or resurrection, because he did die

And please could you bring the scans of Aspros and Marvelous room? I want to see if he actually was completely destroyed or not. Saints can reattach atoms, so he may have not been reduced to atoms. They have resistance to matter manipulation, do they not?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's like Perpetuals from 40K. Regenerating but he had to die.

You are actually making more assumptions about Aspros than not.

 

[PaChi2]

As I said, I dont remember the scene.

But if legit, it doesnt have to scale to everyone because the only one who has shown it is Aspros. You know its not consistent in lore.

 

[PaChi2]

If Seiya is hit with an attack that reduces him to a single atom, will he regenerate? If no, it's not High.

Truth is, if you decapitate seiya, he dies.

Albafica is mortally wounded by just breaking his colum

Aphrodite's death

Saga's death by stabbing himself.

El Cid's death by bleeding out.

dehidratation kills saints

Aiolia's heart being pierced is a big deal.

Etc.

I still dont see how Seiya scales to Aspros pulling a feat when there are many more instances of Saints dont showing that regen. Even more, its stated various times that the saints are "human with superhuman strength". In various instances they cannot heal their wounds and need to pull that point in their constellations that stops hemorrages (Miro and Kanon, for example).

Aspros is not the rule, he is the exception.

Im trying to find the chapter in which aspros is sent to Miraculous room btw.

Explannation of the technique Aspros is sucked i. We only see Aspros' body starting to crumble so saying that he got literally to the atomic level and then regenerated is an assumption just like saying that he became resistant to the destruction (which, imo is more plausible because its a similar feat to what Aiolia pulled). And Aspros is back. Aspros states that a technique like that wouldnt work on him. He implies that he wasnt destroyed by Miraculous room, so no regen feat.

 

[The_Everlasting]

It's like Perpetuals from 40K. Regenerating but he had to die.

I'm pretty sure what Perpetauls do there is just resurrection.

There's no such thing as "regen that only works if you die".

 

[PaChi2]

Well, I argumented my stand here.

 

[Schnee_One]

Gargoyle Throws his Agreement towards Pachi

Inb4 people use this as evidence to show Matt wanks SS

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

So whats going to be happening here?

 

[Schnee_One]

Seiya's High regen is gonna get negged.

 

[KinkiestSins]

I think PaChi makes sense here.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Whatever then. Low-Mid Regen then.

 

[PaChi2]

Every 7th sense user gains Low-Mid, then?

Scaling to Aiolia.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah, all Goldis.

 

[PaChi2]

Eh, Im not sure, but do specters scale too? And Marines.

 

[Schnee_One]

I kept hearing Base Seiya was becoming High 6A or MHS+ before.

Turned down?

 

[Promestein]

Wouldn't regenerating your entire nervous system be better than Low-Mid?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Would it?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I kept hearing Base Seiya was becoming High 6A or MHS+ before.
Turned down?

IT's called MattLazy

 

[Schnee_One]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z0UudoppDDs

 

[Kaltias]

Regenerating the nervous system is Mid I think (If the brain is destroyed as well)

 

[Antoniofer]

Wouldn't regenerating your entire nervous system be better than Low-Mid?

Wouldn't that be involved too? I mean, regenerating from wounds that turn someone into a paraplegic sounds like Low-Mid, if not High-Low (regenerating limbs would suggest regen part of the nervious system, but I'm not a doctor).