Shirou Emiya vs Jotaro Kujo

[Muhammedmco]

1st Round: Heaven's Feel Shirou and Post-DIO World Jotaro. Speed Equalized.

2nd Round: Composite Shirou and Post-DIO World Jotaro. Speed Unequalized.

Shirou Emiya:

Jotaro Kujo:

Who will win?

 

[Schnee_One]

Round 1: Shirou pretty easily handles Jotaro via far superior AP to his durability.

Round 2: Jotaro blitzes, also composite Shirou doesn't exist.

 

[Muhammedmco]

Round 1: Shirou pretty easily handles Jotaro via far superior AP to his durability.
Round 2: Jotaro blitzes, also composite Shirou doesn't exist.

Doesn't Reaction Speed differ from combat speed? Or are they both the same?

 

[Schnee_One]

Same

 

[Gemmysaur]

See Lee vs Sasuke.

Combat speed is Lee reacting to and countering Sasuke.

Reaction speed is Sasuke seeing Lee's attack coming but getting hit anyway since he's still too slow to do anything about it.

That said, R1 goes to Shirou due to being too damn durable to make him budge and let go of his weapons (he's only that durable with his weapons in hand). After 5 seconds, he bodies him with KnB.

R2 ends with Rule Breaker to Star Plat then KnB finish, or something.

 

[Muhammedmco]

But if we said that their AP aren't the same, Jotaro would still win?

 

[Dienomite22]

Shirou takes Round 1.

Does composite Jotaro include Eyes of Heaven Jotaro?

If so then the second round is a stomp for Jotaro with Reality Overite.

If not then Jotaro still takes this with Time Stop and Superior combat speed.

@Gemmysaur Can Shirou see and/or touch Star Platinum?

 

[Muhammedmco]

I'm not allowed to vote, but if we said that Shirou is Subsonic with Massively Hypersonic Reactions, and Jotaro is Superhuman with Massively FTL reactions (which is real by th way since that's what's written in their profiles), Doesn't this mean that Shirou can react to and counter Jotaro and with Jotaro's reaction speed, he can only see Shirou's attacks but getting hit with it since he can't do anything with it?

 

[Muhammedmco]

No. The links of their profile are up there on the thread.

But if each one has one round each in his pocket, wouldn't that be inconclusive?

 

[Dienomite22]

He can dodge Shirou's close-range attacks, that doesn't require his movement speed to be high.If Shirou gets close to Jotaro, Star Platinum would dodge/block and counter every attack Shirou does.The only way Shirou could out beat Jotaro or Star Platinum's Reaction speed is by having AoE attacks or some hax.Star Platinum has both MFTL+ Reaction and Movement Speed but is limited by its range.

 

[Dienomite22]

And that's not including Time Stop

 

[Muhammedmco]

If i remember, Jotaro and Dio's Time Stop doesn't accumulate damage, but i don't understand what does that mean. I can understand that this is a disadvantage, but how so?

Also, say that Jotaro would overpower Shirou, Can't Shirou just use Avalon to heal himself? Also, Jotaro doesn't have anyway to heal himself, does he?

 

[Dienomite22]

I don't really understand the damage accumulation thing so I can't comment on it, sorry.

Avalon should be able to heal Shirou but that's if Jotaro doesn't kill him instantly during Time Stop.

 

[Muhammedmco]

I think i understand what Damage Accumulation is.

It's the fact that Each punch his opponent would take during time stop, someone would feel it individually. For example, the opponent who's hit would effectively feel the punch once it connects with his body, and he won't feel the entire flurry of punches combined once time resumes, meaning that the target would have milliseconds to recover from each blow, and if we said it's with Shirou and Avalon, then it's absolutely Shirou taking Round 2 due to having milliseconds to recover from his blows taken in 5 seconds to use Avalon, and Jotaro won't be capable of using it alot if he used it recklessly, and it just pressurizes his body once used.

 

[Dienomite22]

I still don't understand what that means tbh or how that would change the outcome seeing as Shirou would have to get past Jotaro's speed and Jotaro could just hit him with a flurry of punches at MFTL speeds before Shirou could react and heal.

 

[Muhammedmco]

I still say that Shirou would win since it has been stated that Avalon would isolate its user in another space, or that's what the profile says.

 

[John985]

Shirou can't use the isolation skill of avalon without saber.

 

[Muhammedmco]

Shirou can't use the isolation skill of avalon without saber.

How so? and why?

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Shirou can't use the isolation skill period. Saber being there only lets him regenerate. He can't use it because one, it's not his Noble Phantasm and two, i'm pretty sure he doesn't even know how to.

 

[Muhammedmco]

But he was shown to use it alone. If i can remeber clearly.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Actually, no, i might be wrong on this. I have to look around for the scenes a bit.

 

[Muhammedmco]

Okay then. I'm waiting.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Alright, i watched the end of the Fate route again, where he projects Avalon to get out of the grail mud, but while he did project it, it didn't look like he actually activated it, and Avalon blew the mud away just from being there. So no, he still can't use the isolation part, and Regenerationn needs Saber.

 

[Muhammedmco]

So, Avalon won't work if Saber is not summoned? Because according to what i saw, Shirou still has Avalon's connection inside him, even without Saber around since he has a connection to her, so he doesn't need Saber to be around. That's also written in his profile.

 

[John985]

Avalon wouldn't work if saber is not there. The only thing Shirou gain from avalon is changing his origin and element into sword and some minor healing.

 

[Muhammedmco]

I see.

But that aside, i can name several factors for Shirou to win even with the speed disadvantage.