Shinryu revision

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

So I edited the Shinryu page with new stats but then it got reverted, so then I reverted it again asking how it was invalid then I got called out for almost starting an edited war for some reason. lmao

So please explain to me why Neo Shinryu scaling to Neo Exdeath is invalid? Even when it was shown quite a few times that Neo Shinryu>>>Neo Exdeath in power

 

[Thebluedash]

Scaling makes sense. Mighty probably didn't know the series and thought you were wanking or something, so he wanted you to make a content revision thread before editing the profile..

 

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

Scaling makes sense. Mighty probably didn't know the series and thought you were wanking or something, so he wanted you to make a content revision thread before editing the profile..

Yo Baedash can you like make this more viewed or something

 

[Reppuzan]

So I edited the Shinryu page with new stats but then it got reverted, so then I reverted it again asking how it was invalid then I got called out for almost starting an edited war for some reason. lmao
So please explain to me why Neo Shinryu scaling to Neo Exdeath is invalid? Even when it was shown quite a few times that Neo Shinryu>>>Neo Exdeath in power

I already discussed this with TheEverlasting. Shinryu doesn't exactly scale to Exdeath since he is an optional boss who is not part of the main storyline. Sure, he might be harder from a gameplay standpoint, but the point stands that Bartz and his party never have to fight Shinryu and he is never brought up in-story. Thus he's kept at Base Exdeath's level for accuracy since Shinryu can be fought before the party fights Exdeath.

Plus, Dissidia can't be used for scaling due to everyone being roughly equal in combat, around Large Planet level, with the exception of Cosmos, Chaos, and Feral Chaos due to being appointed by Shinryu himself and the latter using Shinryu as a summon.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Skimming the Exdeath profile, his Universal feats sounds more like an innate ability that can't really be scaled unless someone has a similar ability. I believe its the same reason why Bartz is "only" Galaxy level.

 

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

So I edited the Shinryu page with new stats but then it got reverted, so then I reverted it again asking how it was invalid then I got called out for almost starting an edited war for some reason. lmao
So please explain to me why Neo Shinryu scaling to Neo Exdeath is invalid? Even when it was shown quite a few times that Neo Shinryu>>>Neo Exdeath in power

I already discussed this with TheEverlasting. Shinryu doesn't exactly scale to Exdeath since he is an optional boss who is not part of the main storyline. Sure, he might be harder from a gameplay standpoint, but the point stands that Bartz and his party never have to fight Shinryu and he is never brought up in-story. Thus he's kept at Base Exdeath's level for accuracy since Shinryu can be fought before the party fights Exdeath.
Plus, Dissidia can't be used for scaling due to everyone being roughly equal in combat, around Large Planet level, with the exception of Cosmos, Chaos, and Feral Chaos due to being appointed by Shinryu himself and the latter using Shinryu as a summon.

He's literally higher in every game stat though. That should blatantly imply he's meant to be at least comparable, or higher than him. Seems a bit stupid to say he's far lower than Neo Exdeath, even when he's legit portrayed to be stronger in almost every instance

btw that logic is used for undertale here so

 

[Reppuzan]

In Undertale they're an acknowledged part of the story (along with resets, saving, loading, and alternate timelines).

In Final Fantasy, they're merely game mechanics, so they don't apply.

 

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

It still says something, no?

That should at least be treated as equal

 

[Promestein]

Emerald and Ruby Weapon are harder bosses with better stats than Safer Sephiroth, but Sephiroth is canonically the strongest being within FF7's continuity. It is very likely the same deal with Neo Exdeath and Shinryu.

 

[Reppuzan]

Emerald and Ruby Weapon are harder bosses with better stats than Safer Sephiroth, but Sephiroth is canonically the strongest being within FF7's continuity. It is very likely the same deal with Neo Exdeath and Shinryu.

Basically this. If we counted everything based on stats, Mega Mewtwo and Rayquaza would be stronger than Arceus, which makes little sense.

 

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

Well it's not everything is it

But it's nowhere near as wacky as Neo Shinryu, isn't it?

 

[Reppuzan]

Well it's not everything is it
But it's nowhere near as wacky as Neo Shinryu, isn't it?

The problem is, Neo Shinryu is virtually featless and is only an add-on introduced in the Advance and iOS ports of the game, and is thus not canon to the main plot.

The single best feat he has is the fact that the Sealed Weapons (which were used to defeat Enuo, who bore similar command of the Void to Base Exdeath) were useless against him.

So yes, he's stronger than Base Exdeath, but not strong enough to warrant that massive Tier Jump.

 

[XxFNAFCraft911xX]

Trying to find more on it

 

[The_Everlasting]

I agree with Reppuzan and Prom, we cannot scale Neo Shinryu to Neo Exdeath simply because he has better stats and is harder. Through that logic, Mega Rayquaza is stronger than Arceus since he has better stats, and the Omega Weapon in FFVIII is stronger than Ultimecia even though he canonically isn't, among several other examples in FF alone, such as the Emerald and Ruby Weapons, Kaiser Dragon, Ozma, Penance, Vercinetorix, Ereshkigal, etc. You're going to need a lot more evidence other than stats and difficulty.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Reppuzan, Promestein, and The Everlasting.