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Shin Megami Tensei: Higher-Dimensional YHVH?

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"There it is, YHVH's Throne."-Asahi was not referring to the stairs,but the gate is the doorway to his throne which the stairs lead to.

The space likely encompasses everything, whilst Nanashi and the others exist in only a small portion of it which makes sense considering there was no narration declaring a change in location unlike previously.

So I don't particularly agree with High 1-C YHVH.

Definitely 9D though.
 
9-D sounds right. I'm on the side of agreeing. But are we still gonna wait on Azzy and DarkLK's word on this or......
 
I feel like this is legit. The branes keep increasing in dimensions from the 5D (due to YHVH's first layer being above the network) so yeah reasonable in my head
 
That is because Noah was removed from th Multiverse and time, not because he is 5D. And all Tier 2 demons are outside time, such is the nature of The Expanse.
 
Amala Network: 4D Multiverse

YHVH-Space's 1st Brane-Layer: 5D

2nd Brane-Layer: 6D

3rd Brane-Layer: 7D

4th Brane-Layer: 8D

YHVH's Throne / Non-Euclidian Space: 9D

YHVH Himself: 10D


and the Expance that tracendTime (past, present, future) and Space?

Te Diamond Realm?


i Thing iss 11 or little more (if i have no wank that MR.Clean exist outside everithing in creation and dimencional space-time itself (all)


in the Personal, i Think YHVH is 1C posibility Low 1-B, Nanashi Kill Him even his infinite Heads/true form (Flynn is useles :v) and all the Cast is High 2-A/pisibility Low 1-C


Stephen is my Problem....

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It look perfectly fine and fit with our dimension system. I approve this

Dont you guy think it's time to edit the profiles ? The thread is already got alot of thumb up from alot of members and admins.

and the Expance that tracendTime (past, present, future) and Space?

Te Diamond Realm?

That doesnt mean anything alot. Expanse is just exist outside the flow of time, that explained why the demons can moves in the vast empty void where the concept of time is dead

The diamond realm is... a little tricky. It's clearly a higher world but we dont know how high it is to the lower worlds. Since it doesnt affect much characters in SMT-verse, it's the best to leave it aside.
 
Having recently been a fan of SMT thanks to Persona, I think this is reasonable with all the arguments. Does this mean if YHVH is 9-D, then Great Will is 10-D? Or how about YHVH's True Form? Lastly, since Stephen is equal? to Great Will, then does this mean that the four other SMT heroes (SMT 1 protag, Aleph, Demi-Fiend, Flynn) are also equal to Stephen? Because of the DLC, since they fought? Unless the DLC is not canon, then I guess the other SMT heroes do not scale...

EDIT: Never mind, Stephen is not equal to the Great Will.
 
@SMG

It would mean YHVH and comparable characters are 9-D, and that the Great Will is 10D or 11D.

The Stephen DLC is non-canon. I mean, SMT-Hero in it is so Early Game he died to a nuke, yet there he is fighting Stephen.
 
@ Matthew

So much for High 1-C Demi-Fiend then... My dreams are crushed..

Well no matter. At least SMT is stronger than Digimon now, hehe.
 
Well, I am always uncomfortable with scaling this high without input from DarkLK, but I suppose that we will have to try on our own.
 
Well, okay. No problems then, I suppose.
 
True enough. He is our most knowledgeable analyst/philosopher though.
 
I didn't mean to imply he wasn't. It's just that, it's rather unfair to assume he agrees with it on the basis of it being on his wikia. If this was enough evidence that someone in a position of authority was fully accepting of a profile's contents, content revisions would be pointless.
 
looks legit to me. It seems clear they are moving to higher dimensions since it's stated to be more "vague and infinite than ever before", despite them literally transcending the 4D multiverse before, and it is stated to be crossing "dimensions" and "planes" to, but within the same universe, which would imply all taken into account higher dimensional levels as opposed to alternate universes or timelines. Personally I'd agree with the upgrade.

btw thoughts on the non Euclidian space? iirc Hilbert space is an extension of eucilidian geometry, so could that possibly imply they might even be beyond dimensions? Might be to vauge though for that, but defiantly at least high 1-C I would agree with at least.
 
Here is DontTalk's answer to when I asked him about the issue:

"In regards to dimensions the concept of Non-Euclidean space holds no relevance.

Euclidean space is merely the $ \mathbb{R}^n $ (where n is an arbitrary natural number) equipped with the standard inner product.

Everything this isn't such a space is a Non-Euclidean space.

An example for a non-euclidean space would be the universe we life in.

So in regards to dimensionality the term doesn't matter and as far as I see from the thread the game doesn't seem to use it in the mathematical way, but more as a name for a location.

So I would suggest just ignoring the term being used in regards to judging the case, as it shouldn't have an impact on the decision."
 
So what does that mean? Is he saying that it doesn't mean there are higher dimensions or what? Or that the Euclidean part does not matter?
 
He is saying that the non-euclidean space term should not hold any relevance to our evaluation. We have to go by other evidence.
 
So does this effect our results here? Since Non-Euclidan was used as supporting evidence?
 
The Only Thinc that the DLC is canon or non-canon is someone try to Ask him about this (or anoher One who works in SMT4F/A)

In ther perosnal, it's Canon and I do not see that it is inconsistent with the facts / history


About this threat, i have my issue...but y I support this wht YHVH/Nanashi/Flynn/Stephen/Satan and the Other Cast (bot Frindship is magic/Anarchy) 1-C


PD:sry for my poor english e.e
 
Except that the Non-Euclidian Space layer exists even higher than the others, and given the lines used to describe the first layer "More infinite and more vague", and the line "travelling into another plane of the universe" for the second, the most logical assumption is that YHVH's Throne is also in a higher dimension than Brane-4.

I never claimed that it was the name of the place that was the evidence, I was just listing it as it was a floor.
 
ok idk what this whole thing is about, but as far as the property of a non euclidean surface goes, it is basically a surface which is not flat, an example would be a spherical geometry. So like the space-time of a universe with a density parameter which is not exactly equal to 1. (as a result it would either work like a very large postiviely curved sphere, or if the parameter is below 1, it will be negatively curved- either way it will have a non euclidean space). Similarly, space could be temporarily be made to work in a non euclidean manner locally, like around a very massive body.
 
I made a count, and this is the list of all who agree here:

SomebodyData, CrossverseCrisis, The real cal howard, Cropfist, Darkness552, TheMightyRegulator, Aparajita, Promestein, FateAlbane, TISSG7Redgrave, MagiSinbad, Kirbyelmejor, Bre8k, ShinyMagicalGirl, SSJRyu1

Between, them, there are a lot of Staff Members, including Admins, people who are knowledgeble enough on Dimensions, and large fans of SMT.
 
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