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I've adjusted a bit the pixel scaling... the result stills Wall level but a bit lower.I commented on the blog a little while back.
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I've adjusted a bit the pixel scaling... the result stills Wall level but a bit lower.I commented on the blog a little while back.
Well as you can see on the calc I've made, the creatures are 6.52+ meters tall and weighs at very least 3.42 metric tonsDoes it really matter for something that doesn't move at all tho? Iirc there's a Earthbound boss form with N/A in AP.
The calculation is correct. But would not contribute to Lifting Strength.
Ok.Yes. We no longer give Lifting Strength through just being heavy anymore to my knowledge.
Well the calc I made stills a viable option since we know the 5th form GPE.Personally, I think the key should be kept with the tier just being unknown. There are plenty of other unknown keys on the wiki (PED Samus comes to mind) and it is technically a form achieved in the movie. We know it would have all of the powers the previous form did save for the titanic size because each stage of evolution gained new traits but didn't lose old ones, so things like regeneration and atomic breath would still fit.
And it's too bad we can't include the further evolutions because I'd love a Tier 2 Godzilla. But they are waaay outside the canon of the final film version, so including them obviously wouldn't work. Also, @Apex_PredatorX, here is a video showing the further evolutions Shin Godzilla had in some of the early concepts.
Hmm. No reply.I think that moving efficiently with that weight should logically scale, but I am not a calc group member.
What do you think about enormous personal weight scaling to lifting strength @DontTalkDT ?
this is just a baseless assumption sadly, it's just a pattern that doesn't actually prove anythingWe know it would have all of the powers the previous form did save for the titanic size because each stage of evolution gained new traits but didn't lose old ones, so things like regeneration and atomic breath would still fit.
However the calc I made still warrantes the 5th form a tier.this is just a baseless assumption sadly, it's just a pattern that doesn't actually prove anything
It is my opinion that colossal personal mass should scale to lifting strength, yes. We have rules against this but as far as I'm aware, these are old and potentially outdated. A discussion may need to be had.
Soo we have to wait?Okay. It would have to be handled in the calc group forum and preferably involve DontTalk though.
Wow I don't remember the last time a Godzilla thread induced the creation of a staff discussion.I suppose so.
Unfortunately I would not be able to explain very well the matter in questionWell, a calc group forum discussion, if somebody is willing to create it.
It is my opinion that colossal personal mass should scale to lifting strength, yes. We have rules against this but as far as I'm aware, these are old and potentially outdated. A discussion may need to be had.
Okay. It would have to be handled in the calc group forum and preferably involve DontTalk though.
@Mr._BambuUnfortunately I would not be able to explain very well the matter in question
But I hope there is someone else here able to do so.
Shin's 5th form can walk though.Isn’t lifting strength from your own mass pretty irrelevant, since they’re constantly gonna be holding up their own weight? It’s like if a fat person weighs 700 pounds and can walk, that doesn’t mean they can do a 700 pound deadlift
Yeah I know it can walk butShin's 5th form can walk though.
There are models that shown the 5th form standing on both legs.
maybe you do have that opinion which is somewhat agreeable, but it's not really quantifiable at all, especially on a case by case basisI think that being able to move a personal weight of thousands of metric tons at a reasonably swift speed should logically at least somewhat scale to the relevant character's lifting strength.
Well Shin Godzilla's forms have been able to push things as big as themselves.Yeah I know it can walk but
if it's already spending some of its strength walking, there's no way to use that to quantify its actual effective lifting strength
maybe you do have that opinion which is somewhat agreeable, but it's not really quantifiable at all, especially on a case by case basis
While true, would you say a Godzilla-sized character is capable only of normal human lifting strength? Do you not see the issue with that? We're speaking in terms of ballpark. Lifting strength should, on some level, scale to physical size, I don't really see how that can be argued against without resorting to special situations.Isn’t lifting strength from your own mass pretty irrelevant, since they’re constantly gonna be holding up their own weight? It’s like if a fat person weighs 700 pounds and can walk, that doesn’t mean they can do a 700 pound deadlift
I can make a thread soon, yeah.
On some level, yeah, an unquantifiable level without using headcanonWhile true, would you say a Godzilla-sized character is capable only of normal human lifting strength? Do you not see the issue with that? We're speaking in terms of ballpark. Lifting strength should, on some level, scale to physical size, I don't really see how that can be argued against without resorting to special situations.
Also, I can't imagine (just to dissect your example for a moment) a 700 person walking around easily, either.
So you are agreeing with me, but feel it is unquantifiable. That's enough for me, you have agreed with me fundamentally, the specifics can be worked out later. Colossal size should scale to Lifting Strength in some way.On some level, yeah, an unquantifiable level without using headcanon
Shin godzilla obviously has higher than normal human lifting strength but that’s only because he has the feats to show it, I don’t think things get added just because they “make sense” since it’s too ambiguous for an actual ranking.
Also the 700 pound man doesn’t matter much, it’s just the point is that if that lifting strength is already being used to lift their own weight, then it’s not applicable to anything (unless they’re using their weight to crush people or something)
Soo what was decided in the large size and Lifting strength thread?So you are agreeing with me, but feel it is unquantifiable. That's enough for me, you have agreed with me fundamentally, the specifics can be worked out later. Colossal size should scale to Lifting Strength in some way.
@Mr._BambuSoo what was decided in the large size and Lifting strength thread?
Well most kaiju are definitely stronger than just giant humans, as their biology makes them able to withstand their mass to not be crushed under their own weight..The consensus has been split. Some individuals, such as Kieran, feel it isn't reasonable to any degree, whereas others have been proposing ideas as to how this could work. The most reasonable of these options came from the average human mass-to-human lifting strength ratio (which is almost 1:1), meaning if we went with that, a character's mass could be used to determine their physical lifting strength in the void of other feats, with no math actually required barring finding their approximate mass.
Some individuals, such as Kieran, feel it isn't reasonable to any degree