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Two Bleach Leaders going at it.
Both in character.
Win By Death.
Takes place in S.S.
Who takes this?
Both in character.
Win By Death.
Takes place in S.S.
Who takes this?
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Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryusai vs Ichibei Hyosube
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Yama stomp! his bankai will evaporates Ichibei ink and all the darkness nonsense with the exception of Ichibei Futen Daisatsuryō which take quite bit of time to prepare which yama can just Zanka no Tachi ichibei to the death while he prepare to do his ability.
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ichibei is pretty obviously superior to Yamamoto.
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Why? 
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i do not know how to yama can evaporate dark of ichibei
Yama has black clothes and ichibei should be really faster than yama
Ichibei win via hax and speed
Yama has black clothes and ichibei should be really faster than yama
Ichibei win via hax and speed
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Ichibe is quiet comfortably above old yamamoto.
Have a question. Was Yhwach using almighty when he sliced yamamoto? I don't think so. I think it was base Yhwach. If so, then Ichibe beat base Yhwach and base Yhwach one-shotted yamamoto. There you have the answer.
Have a question. Was Yhwach using almighty when he sliced yamamoto? I don't think so. I think it was base Yhwach. If so, then Ichibe beat base Yhwach and base Yhwach one-shotted yamamoto. There you have the answer.
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Ichibei holds a much higher position, but according to Yama no shinigami that has been born in the past 1000 years is more powerful than him.
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This. Nothing else to addBasilisk1995 said:
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How is Ichibei supposed to win? The only reason he was able to fight Yhwach it's because he nerfed his strength multiple times for the entire duration of the fight, he can't do that against Yama's heat (it's ink lmao, the "blackness" he takes from people transforms into ink, regardless Yama has a white captain haori first and foremost), also; Jugram states in chapter 610 that Yhwach finally regained all the powers he had back when he fought against 2 arms Yamamoto 1.000 years ago, after this he one shots Ichibei without any trouble.
What's stopping Yama doing the same? Seriously, even Aizen feared Yamamoto so much he created Wonderweiss, yet did nothing in order to prepare against Ichibei and the rest of the Royal Guards.
It's obvious that Ichibei is 1,000+ old, no question about it, that's not the problem when that quote is gauged though, the problem is that Yama founded as the Captain Commander the Gotei 13 exactly 1.000 years ago, not Ichibei and the Royal Guard was created after the Gotei 13, and all the members there have been in the past Gotei captains in its 1.000 life span (after all, Yamamoto formed 2.100 years ago the only to this day Shinigami Academy, and if Ichibei was really stronger than Yamamoto he would have taken out Yamamoto and took control of the Gotei 13 and later create the Royal Guard himself since the original Gotei 13 had this brutal nature to begin with, but he didn't because he couldn't), the only way the 1.000 year thing can be applied is for new top tier shinigami like Hougyoku Aizen and Bankai Kenpachi, the Royal Guard, and; by extension Ichibei all falls under the same equation.
What's stopping Yama doing the same? Seriously, even Aizen feared Yamamoto so much he created Wonderweiss, yet did nothing in order to prepare against Ichibei and the rest of the Royal Guards.
It's obvious that Ichibei is 1,000+ old, no question about it, that's not the problem when that quote is gauged though, the problem is that Yama founded as the Captain Commander the Gotei 13 exactly 1.000 years ago, not Ichibei and the Royal Guard was created after the Gotei 13, and all the members there have been in the past Gotei captains in its 1.000 life span (after all, Yamamoto formed 2.100 years ago the only to this day Shinigami Academy, and if Ichibei was really stronger than Yamamoto he would have taken out Yamamoto and took control of the Gotei 13 and later create the Royal Guard himself since the original Gotei 13 had this brutal nature to begin with, but he didn't because he couldn't), the only way the 1.000 year thing can be applied is for new top tier shinigami like Hougyoku Aizen and Bankai Kenpachi, the Royal Guard, and; by extension Ichibei all falls under the same equation.
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1. There is nothing suggesting insurrection among the shinigami. Them being "brutal" refers to their treatment of hollows and Rukongai. Hence, no, if Ichibei was stronger he wouldn't have necessarily taken Yama's position.
2. Ichibei named every single one of the Zanpaktous that exist in soul society, likely Yamamoto's as well. He is at least as old as his own powers, meaning that Yama doesn't have a definite age advantage.
3. Aizen did not confront Ichibei so we have no idea what his thought process was.
4. Yhwach, by the way his power functions, has more power than the amount he had before. There are two reasons for this. First, before fighting Ichibei, he took back his Sternritter's powers. Second, since his power functions off death, any Quincy that has died in the past 1000 years has given their power to him - including the thousands in the real world that got sucked up years before the story started.
This is shown by the fact that Yhwach oneshots Yamamoto easily. That same Yhwach struggles againt Ichibei. It's not just clear who is more powerful, its blatantly clear.
2. Ichibei named every single one of the Zanpaktous that exist in soul society, likely Yamamoto's as well. He is at least as old as his own powers, meaning that Yama doesn't have a definite age advantage.
3. Aizen did not confront Ichibei so we have no idea what his thought process was.
4. Yhwach, by the way his power functions, has more power than the amount he had before. There are two reasons for this. First, before fighting Ichibei, he took back his Sternritter's powers. Second, since his power functions off death, any Quincy that has died in the past 1000 years has given their power to him - including the thousands in the real world that got sucked up years before the story started.
This is shown by the fact that Yhwach oneshots Yamamoto easily. That same Yhwach struggles againt Ichibei. It's not just clear who is more powerful, its blatantly clear.
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^ This.
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1 You are wrong, Yhwach states that the first Gotei 13 was a group of bloodthirsty killers, there was no mention of hollows or rukongai citizen as you put it.
Which goes to my point: are you seriously suggesting me that the leader wasn't the strongest? How could he be taken seriously by the other bloodthirsty members at the time if so?
2That's an exaggeration, going by Rukia Soul Society is at least one million years old, he can't be that old, also he couldn't name everything, case in point the Hougyoku, if he name that he could simply make it go back nameless and kill Aizen, you know the guy that wants to kill the Soul King and is pretty much immortal, but he couldn't do that because he is not omnipotent.
3 We know that Aizen gained a powerup so big he didn't even expect going by his fight with Dangai Ichigo so we know that Aizen, one of the most smartest character in Bleach planned so that the Hougyoku would have given him enough power to fend off the Royal Guard but not enough for Yamamoto, enter Wonderweis, you can read that in chapter 418.
4 Yes but you forgot to mention that he was powerless for 990 years , and he was regaining the power he had in the past in 9 years thanks to the way his abilities work, and he managed to complete this only by the end of his fight with Ichibei.
As for Yamamoto oneshotted that's an unfair comparison, for a manga point, Kubo needs to show important characters abilities before oneshotting them with an unnamed attack (something that happened with ichibei too, you know), For a story point Yamamoto was tired for his fights, with a bankai stolen and immoble, comprehending he couldn't defeat Yhwach without bankai.
Which goes to my point: are you seriously suggesting me that the leader wasn't the strongest? How could he be taken seriously by the other bloodthirsty members at the time if so?
2That's an exaggeration, going by Rukia Soul Society is at least one million years old, he can't be that old, also he couldn't name everything, case in point the Hougyoku, if he name that he could simply make it go back nameless and kill Aizen, you know the guy that wants to kill the Soul King and is pretty much immortal, but he couldn't do that because he is not omnipotent.
3 We know that Aizen gained a powerup so big he didn't even expect going by his fight with Dangai Ichigo so we know that Aizen, one of the most smartest character in Bleach planned so that the Hougyoku would have given him enough power to fend off the Royal Guard but not enough for Yamamoto, enter Wonderweis, you can read that in chapter 418.
4 Yes but you forgot to mention that he was powerless for 990 years , and he was regaining the power he had in the past in 9 years thanks to the way his abilities work, and he managed to complete this only by the end of his fight with Ichibei.
As for Yamamoto oneshotted that's an unfair comparison, for a manga point, Kubo needs to show important characters abilities before oneshotting them with an unnamed attack (something that happened with ichibei too, you know), For a story point Yamamoto was tired for his fights, with a bankai stolen and immoble, comprehending he couldn't defeat Yhwach without bankai.
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Ichibe is way faster. Yama barely could deal with a Mach 1000+...
In the meantime Ichibe fought against Yhwach and he was wining even without his zampaktou ability...also, they are Mach 3000+
Maybe Prime Yamas was better than Old Yama, but Prime Yama is more than featless.
ALSO, Yama's Bankai stat is bias...The calc was calculated with movie scans.
In the meantime Ichibe fought against Yhwach and he was wining even without his zampaktou ability...also, they are Mach 3000+
Maybe Prime Yamas was better than Old Yama, but Prime Yama is more than featless.
ALSO, Yama's Bankai stat is bias...The calc was calculated with movie scans.
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1. What? The Gotei 13 only exist for those two reasons in the first place. The leader didn't need to be the strongest and even if Yama was the leader, who said he had his zanpaktou for as long as he was leader? I doubt it, based on what the 0th Squad said.
2. ZANPAKTOUs aren't that old and no, he said explictly that he knew EVERY SINGLE ZANPAKTOU and had named them. He knew the name of Renji's bankai from the get-go, even when nobody else did.
3. Hogyouku Aizen wasn't ever compared to Yamamoto, so you are once again postulating BUT, from what we DO know:
Final Form Aizen = Deicide Ichigo = current Ichigo (statement by Yhwach) who can tangle with current Yhwach who is >>> unawakened Yhwach, who oneshot Yamamoto.
So even current powerscaling says you are completely wrong.
4. Who cares? He regained all of his old power and the stuff he had gained in the 1000 years. He is clearly way more powerful. He oneshot Yama, for god's sake. Even if he got his bankai stolen, he still shouldn't have been tired out from fighting a fodder Sternritter that Ichibei would have godstomped.
2. ZANPAKTOUs aren't that old and no, he said explictly that he knew EVERY SINGLE ZANPAKTOU and had named them. He knew the name of Renji's bankai from the get-go, even when nobody else did.
3. Hogyouku Aizen wasn't ever compared to Yamamoto, so you are once again postulating BUT, from what we DO know:
Final Form Aizen = Deicide Ichigo = current Ichigo (statement by Yhwach) who can tangle with current Yhwach who is >>> unawakened Yhwach, who oneshot Yamamoto.
So even current powerscaling says you are completely wrong.
4. Who cares? He regained all of his old power and the stuff he had gained in the 1000 years. He is clearly way more powerful. He oneshot Yama, for god's sake. Even if he got his bankai stolen, he still shouldn't have been tired out from fighting a fodder Sternritter that Ichibei would have godstomped.
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But Prime Yama one shot YhwachKamiYasha said:
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I'm going with Ichibe
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