Shana vs Erza Scarlet

[ScarletFirefly]

Same here. Sure, she's super popular, but that leaves other characters neglected. Always the same characters are used...

Hopefully my little project will fix this, even just a little bit.

 

[Schnee_One]

Scarlet of the round table, I pray for your success.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Flame Hazes basically merge with their Crimson Lord when the contract is made. They lose their humanity for something nearly similar to a being from another plane. The spells and powers they use are powers from another plane and the reason they can move inside Fuzetsus is due to their differently shaped nature as beings, that allows them to move just like Denizens, the creatures from said plane.

And again I would like to bring Saber's example. She uses powers that are from another plane (Excalibur and Avalon are made from fairies), she was told that once she drew Excalibur from the stone she would "stop being human", she can access Avalon, a dimension completely separated from the normal world. Yet despite these, she's again, human. She cannot be called a supernatural being while she was alive.

Hmm... I'm not sure she could enter Fuzetsus still. The entire concept of the Fuzetsu when it was created was specifically so humans can't enter/interact with it and if they get caught inside one, it works like a time stop. Shana and any Flame Haze aren't humans, so I think it has to do with the idea of humanity, alongside the other-plane powers. Unless a human is immune/can cancel such powers (like Touma maybe), I don't think they could move in it.

Can Saber cancel anti-human stuff like that? I don't remember.

 

[Schnee_One]

While I don't think she can, Saber has incredibly good magic resistance.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

@GoldenScorpions It's very iffy to me what classifies as a supernatural being, but I don't have enough knowledge on the verse so...dunno really.

@Gargoyle One I like that name. One day, a King will come, and the Sword will shine again.

 

[Schnee_One]

Actually, that's an Ace Combat reference, which is fitting considering the digfight in Fate Zero is inspired by it.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Technically, Unrestricted Spells (the powers Shana use) can be considered very advanced magic, that uses Power of Existence (energy invisible to humans that comprises every living and non-living thing) instead of Mana.

Actually, wasn't this about Erza? How did it go to Saber? lol

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Technically, Unrestricted Spells (the powers Shana use) can be considered very advanced magic, that uses Power of Existence (energy invisible to humans that comprises every living and non-living thing) instead of Mana.

That looks like the very definition of Magic in Fairy Tail.

Actually, wasn't this about Erza? How did it go to Saber? lol

People have told me I have the supernatural power to derail threads. Get it? Supernatural? Ok, I'll stop.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

What shall be done with the thread, then? Closed?

 

[Schnee_One]

It's a bit controversial if this match is a stomp or not,

I personally don't think it is but we're settling this matter on the discussion thread.

Perhaps temporary?

 

[ScarletFirefly]

If people want it closed, I could do that. Judging by the comments here, the disagreements on the supernatural being thing will likely continue and derail the thread completely.

If you people want Shana threads, try using Dimaria Yesta, she's also a time stopper.

 

[Schnee_One]

Nice idea! Thx

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Shall I close this then?

 

[Schnee_One]

For now....Possibly forever.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Technically, Unrestricted Spells (the powers Shana use) can be considered very advanced magic, that uses Power of Existence (energy invisible to humans that comprises every living and non-living thing) instead of Mana.

That looks like the very definition of Magic in Fairy Tail.

Not exactly the same, but not too afar enough to count as completely different.

But again, Fuzetsu affects all humans and Erza is a human, so she'd be stuck. Flame Hazes always start fights with Fuzetsu.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Unless you want to remove Fuzetsu from Shana in this fight?

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Unless you want to remove Fuzetsu from Shana in this fight?

Fuzetsu is her time stopping ability? Cuz if that's the case, people are saying she get's bodied by Erza in every other category if we remove that. Kind of a weak matchup if that's the case.

 

[Blanked]

Except for partially range and flight.

But yeah just close this.

 

[Schnee_One]

Shana has 8A durability in a 7A fight.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Oh, forgot to mention, but earlier today, I adjusted Shana's profile (about 2.5 hours ago), before I was aware of this VS. I increased her Speed (not that it matters here) and her Durability to Mountain due to her feats...

What should be done here? Continue or cancel due to mid-VS stats change, even if unknowingly of a VS?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Why was she upgraded without a thread?

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Because it was just a re-adjustment after I realized something I should have noticed from the beginning about her stats. I placed justifications as well for the update. It wasn't a reconstruction of the profile, so I figured a direct edit was possible.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

You should have made a thread and then gotten a calc for the feat before upgrading them.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

But why the need? Shana's strongest power (Tenpa Josai) is at least Mountain level. Normally everyone who uses Tenpa Josai dies. Shana survived her own Tenpa Josai, thus making her durability at least Mountain. Logic is enough, isn't it?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Still against the rules to make a tiering change like that without a thread.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Matter of fact where is the calc that puts said feat at Mountain level?