Shadow vs Sugilite

[MYHERO]

@Cinnabar Doesn't change the fact that it's gonna be astronomically easier to hit since it's way over 10x bigger than Sonic characters.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Even though you just said he barely hits sonic chatracters with Chaos Spear

 

[MYHERO]

I also said they were smaller. They would be tricky to hit if the characters were like 3x bigger and just as fast as the Sonic cast. But that's not the case with Sugilite. She is way to big yes she can move as fast but due to her large size it's still going to get in the way.

 

[Corgi_the_Gen_Z_God]

Even though you just said he barely hits sonic chatracters with Chaos Spear

Do you not know what verse you're arguing against? It's a franchise with characters that have super speed as the ******* norm LOL

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

When are Shadows quills ever even shown to be sharp?

Really now? He's an anthropomorphic hedgehog and they're pointy.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Violet I'd love it if you looked at Shadow's profile and then Sugilite's and then tell me how Sonic X being a verse with speedsters matters to an SU character

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Myhero Even if Shadow does manage to hit her all she'd get are a few cuts which she would regenerate from anyways

 

[Corgi_the_Gen_Z_God]

I don't NEED to look at the profiles. Lore wise, the Sonic series has a bunch of characters that can run fast and that most of the time they like to dodge a lot of enmy fire and not get hit (Especially Sonic since he's VERY mobile). So Shadow not having a guarentee on his Chaos Spears is not him having trash aim. It's him going up against characters with similar speed as him if not faster.

 

[Corgi_the_Gen_Z_God]

Not everything has to go down within the profiles if you know the lore and personalities of the characters in the verse, my dude.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Violet What you just described is Pearl, who Sugilite had no issues tagging

Speed is equalized here so Sugilite IS as fast as him

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Not everything has to go down within the profiles if you know the lore and personalities of the characters in the verse, my dude.

Except it does, as that is the entire point of this wiki

 

[Corgi_the_Gen_Z_God]

I didn't say we SHOULDN'T use the profiles though context-wise. What I was trying to say is that we don't need to get our info only from the profiles. Especially if it happens to be about lore and character for the character in the vs debate.

 

[Jinsye]

btw for piercing

Sugilite's a rock right

Wouldn't that make a piercing attack less effective than usual I'd think.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Edward Yes

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Violet The entire point of the profile is to have their lore and characters traits on them so everyone can see

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

btw for piercing

Sugilite's a rock right

Wouldn't that make a piercing attack less effective than usual I'd think.

Chaos Spear can pierce metal.

 

[MYHERO]

I've got to go sleep soon so I will continue this tomorrow.

@Hst master Are you voting for Shadow?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Shaow Piercing 9-B metal means nothing to 6-C stone

 

[HST_Master]

I've got to go sleep soon so I will continue this tomorrow.

@Hst master Are you voting for Shadow?

No I just don't agree with the baseless assumption Chaos Spear can't pierce.

 

[MYHERO]

Ok

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Sugilite's body is still hard enough that a piercing attack shouldnt be very effective on her and she can regenerate the damage regardless

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Weekly

Irrelevant when Chaos Spear harms 6-Cs.

 

[MYHERO]

Sorry but when you say 6-C stone do you mean the gemstones? Didn't Amethysts got her's cracked because she fell from a couple of meters? I don't think that counts as 6-C durability.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

PIS

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Myhero Yes their gemstones are 6-C, what youre thinking of is a widely accepted instance of PIS

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Shadow Very relevant actually seeing as you have yet to show it hurting a 6-C let alone one more durable than anything Shadow has harmed and with a body far harder and more resistant to piercing

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Weekly

It hurt Sonic so...

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Shadow Cool, post a scan of it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If it cut or pierced sonic then you have an argument, if not it kills it

 

[ShakeResounding]

Hey. Guys.

Can we not act so heated in this thread? I want to have fun during vs debates, not witness keyboard warriors. That goes to everybody, we should be having fu.

@Mav That render... Oh yeah, that render is some good stuff.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Shadow Cool, post a scan of it

If I must.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Alright, I took a look into both of these profiles. Time to voice my semi-formed opinion.

Sugalite has a sizeable AP advantage due to the mini-scailing chain, but not enough to one-shot Shadow from the get-go. Which is good for him, because the AP difference is probably gonna be the biggest hurdle he has to get over. She also has her Flail, which she's shown some damn good proficiency in. While she obviously has more stuff than just this, I think her AP and Flail are the most important things to mention here. If I missed anything seriously important, I'm sure Weekly could cover it.

Shadow has the ever-so-slight versatility advantage at his disposal here to make up for the difference of AP. His Electricity Manip is usually subtle due to him causing a small spark with a wave of his hand that, in turn, forms into a larger net of electricity. Teleportation is a Shadow standard, and it'll make him harder to hit. Time stop is another Shadow standard, no need for explanation there. Vibration Manip sounds pretty dangerous here, but I have no idea how it exactly works.

I think the biggest thing going for Shadow here is removing his inhibitors. Like Sonic one-shotting comparable or stronger beings after absorbing a ring, it essentially gives Shadow the same buff of overpowering comparable or stronger enemies. The problem with this comes from if he overuses it, but Shadow's been shown to know when to put them back on and call it quits.

So... I dunno yet. Leaning towards Shadow, I think, but don't count my vote yet.

 

[MYHERO]

I want to point out that it is shown that Shadow can either make Chaos Spears explode or pierce. I've should've mentioned this further but they are times when the chaos spears explode on impact or piercers.

And also Shake is right I think we, or at least I should take a step back and breathe.

 

[Jinsye]

>throws attack

>it literally explodes

>sonic isn't pierced or anything

how is that piercing

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And there you have it, Sonic wasnt cut or pierced, and as such Sugilite would not be either

 

[ShakeResounding]

@HERO You're right, he should have Explosion Manipulation listed.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So not only is Shadow not always going to be using a piercing attack, but character on his level can tank them without being pierced

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Shake You should probably note that sugilite has 6000+ years of experience

 

[ShakeResounding]

He posted the scan to prove it could hurt 6-Cs, as that was a point of contestation.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Hurting =/= piercing