Shadow vs Sugilite

[MYHERO]

No, I think Sugilite might actually take it.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

I don't think she'd one-shot or anything, but the AP advantage should let her take this when she does eventually hit him.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

An Uninhibited Shadow showed to not get exhausted from freezing time as shown here: https://youtu.be/5gqS6Pxwg3g?t=1177

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@MYHERO Have you forgotten Chaos Spear? Even assuming Sugilite is stronger, AP gap is way too small to tank piercing attacks.

 

[MYHERO]

90 seconds timestop? Holy shit that likes Part 3 jotaro's timestop but x18 longer.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Shadow can also throw omnidirectional Chaos Spears at a pretty rapid rate: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt-o2qOh3JA&t=370&feature=youtu.be

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

90 seconds timestop? Holy shit that likes Part 3 jotaro's timestop but x18 longer.

Is that a mf'ing Jojo's reference?

 

[MYHERO]

Okay so let me get this straight.

Sugilite is stronger than Shadow.

But he is a smaller target and can dodge her attacks repeatedly with teleportation. And he can unleash a timestop that is over a minute long rendering Sugilite immovable. And still be able to hurt her through piercing attacks which are omnidirectional and fast.

I take it back, Shadow's versatility seems to cover up more than enough of cons here. I was under the impression that he gets easily exhausted as Weekly said, but now I'm pretty sure Weekly is not even that knowledgable with the Sonic verse, let alone with Sonic X.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Smaller means nothing

Teleportation and timestop cannot be spammed

Even if he poofs sugilite she can regenerate by which ooint Shadow will be exhausted regardless

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And yes he does get exhausted, both our profile here and everything about it that i can find says he gets exhausted

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Shameless plug

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

He literally spams teleportation against Sonic in episode 34.

That time stop is 90 seconds long. If he time stops it's over.

Sugilite needs to retreat into her gemstone to regenerate. Shadow can just destroy the gemstone.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Is it actually 90 seconds long or is it like Dio where it's suppsoedly 5 seconds but it lasts two minutes.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Shadow Cool, not with his inhibitor rings off which is what he needs to even try to hurt sugilite here

Neat

Sugilite regenerates in 80 seconds and Shadow knows noting about needing to destroy her gems

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

And yes he does get exhausted, both our profile here and everything about it that i can find says he gets exhausted

She means you were exaggerating how quickly Shadow gets exhausted when taking off his inhibitors.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Shadow I wasnt exaggerting anything, Wok was the one who said it

 

[MYHERO]

@Weekly I said easily exhausted not just exhausted.

And being small makes it that Shadow will be a smaller target, so it doesn't mean nothing. Yes Sugilite still deals with smaller people fairly well but that doesn't mean that it is absolutely zero problem for her.

Maverick just showed us a clip of him doing it. And timestop is long enough where he would only need it once.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

No one's shown yet that he time stops in ''combat ''though.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It does mean nothing when Sugilite has thus far fought exclusively smaller targets and had no difficulty at all hitting them. Shadow being small will be no problem for her in any way.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Shadow Cool, not with his inhibitor rings off which is what he needs to even try to hurt sugilite here

Neat

Sugilite regenerates in 80 seconds and Shadow knows noting about needing to destroy her gems

Again, Chaos Spear.

When he sees her retreat into a gem, he will destroy it. He isn't stupid.

 

[MYHERO]

I would like to point out if Shadow stops time and starts spamming chaos spear, her body will quickly poof and that will leave the gems vulnerable as well and they will also be in harms way, leading it to crack. So Shadow doesn't even need to know about Gems.

 

[MYHERO]

No one's shown yet that he time stops in combat though.

Why does that matter. Just because he didn't do it in a fight doesn't mean it's automatically not combat applicable.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

With no prior knowledgs he nas no reason whatsoever to just randomly destroy her gems, assuming he even manages to poof her in the first place

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Myhero The Gemstones are only a few inches in diameter and very hard to see on something as big as sugilite, plus two of them are in sugilite's palms, it is very unlikely that he will randomly hit them

 

[CinnabarManx421]

He wouldn't see her go into her gems though. When a Gem gets poofed, theeir body vanishes in a cloud of smoke, meaning he wouldn't be able to see the Gems through the smoke.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

No one's shown yet that he time stops in combat though.

What?

He did it while he was battling Scarship.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

What cinnabar said as well, they dont physically retreat they just dissapear

 

[MYHERO]

One of Sugilite's gems are literally exposed on her chest. Maverick has shown us that his chaos spears are omnidirectional and quite fast he doesn't need to even specifically try to aim at her gem it will get caught up in the splash zone.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

>Caught in the splash zone

Yup because that has totally happened before in all other SU fights like the one where Jasper's weapon is on her face and her weapon is a helmet or garnet whose are on her hands and her method of fighting is punching

 

[WeeklyBattles]

His chaos spears being omnidirectional does not automatically mean that dugilite will be struck on every point of her body at once, especially not a hard to see, few inch diameter rock

 

[MYHERO]

Jasper wearing a helmet over her gem and Garnet wearing gauntlets on her gems is not even remotely comparable to gemstones being exposed to piercing energy beams.

And did you forget that I said at a fast rate? Even if a couple of them misses the chances that a couple of them will hit her gem is very likely with just the excessive amount of spheres and at how hast they travel.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

I mean, if there were that many projectiles coming at her she could just, you know, block. :/

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I watched the video twice now and see no reason why you think that just because there are a lot of them that it automatically means that it will automatically hit her gemstone

 

[MYHERO]

@Cinnabar Yes but in frozen time? Besides if she just blocks then she still gets hurt of the piercing damaging, making her poof. Which would leave her gem falling motion which would increase the chances that they will hit even more.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also unless he's doing this without the inhibitor rings the spears will do very little damage overall to her

 

[MYHERO]

I watched the video twice now and see no reason why you think that just because there are a lot of them that it automatically means that it will automatically hit her gemstone

Weekly don't try to put words in my mouth. I didn't say it would automatically hit them I said that the chances are very likely. Not only that it wasn't just because there were a lot, but they were fired at a fast rate as well.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Hitting her Gemstones won't even do anything since he doesn't have the AP to hurt her in the first place.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Also unless he's doing this without the inhibitor rings the spears will do very little damage overall to her

No because the AP gap is far too small to tank piercing blows.

 

[MYHERO]

It does mean nothing when Sugilite has thus far fought exclusively smaller targets and had no difficulty at all hitting them. Shadow being small will be no problem for her in any way.

Yeah but she was also at a clear lee advantage over them. Now she's dealing with a teleporting hedgehog that's even smaller than Pearl, the problem is still there but very small.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Cinnabar is correct, he doesnt have the starting AP to be able to damage her Gems