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Shadow SHOWTIME!!! Dark Bowser Vs. Shadow Dedede

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Eficiente said:
This thread needs to be close, Shadow Dedede stomps.
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No he doesn't, especially considering that Shadow Dedede doesn't seem to have any way to kill Dark Bowser thanks to the dark star core reviving him repeatedly. Yes, Shadow Dedede can inhale it like Bowser does but he has no way of finishing it since there is nobody inside of him to fight it. Bowser needed Mario and Luigi inside his body to destroy the dark star core from within so he could finally kill Dark Bowser. And Dark Bowser and Shadow Dedede have a pretty even arsenal of attacks and their power is pretty close. Don't know why you think he stomps. If you think Shadow Dedede stomps I don't think you have played Bowser's Inside Story. (I have played both Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story AND Triple Deluxe so I know all about both of them.)
 
We rank Dark Bowser as Large Star level+ and Shadow Dedede as Multi-Solar System level, to say that the Dark Star would be able to revive Dark Bowser would be a NLF as it would be nothing left of both things.
 
Last I checked you had Dark Bowser at Multi-Solar System as well, what happened? Also, it's very close-minded to say he stomps simply because of tier difference alone without even looking at any other factors. Especially since this site's tiering is subjective. Also, what I said is NOT an NLF. Play the game, Bowser couldn't permanently kill Dark Bowser until Mario and Luigi destroyed the dark star core. It would be very difficult for Shadow Dedede to get the chance to destroy it because in the game whenever Dark Bowser coughs it out he immeadiately starts trying to inhale it getting in an inhale struggle with Bowser. Bowser wins over and inhales it where it goes in his body and Mario and Luigi fight it from within. So, since Shadow Dedede has that same inhale ability he would get in that same struggle with Dark Bowser, and Shadow Dedede could win that inhale struggle , BUT when inhaling it he has no means of destroying it from within. Shadow Dedede would have to try to get some hits on it while it is outside Dark Bowser's body before Dark Bowser just inhales it again. And the dark star core, i'snt easy to destroy. It took many hits from Mario and Luigi to finally be destroyed. So, it's not that Shadow Dedede can't destroy it, it's that he wouldn't have enough time to get enough hits on it to be able to destroy it because he would only have a few seconds to hit it every time it leaves Dark Bowser's body.

Also, it's pretty hypocritcial for you to be trying to dismiss this an being an NLF since on the Death Battle Fanon Wiki, you have defended the Ganondorf immortality/ holy weapons thing when obviously THAT is a true NLF.
 
@MadMax This happened.

>Especially since your tiering is subjective

...what?

>Play the game

I did so, it's my favorite Mario game.

>Bowser couldn't permanently kill Dark Bowser until Mario and Luigi destroyed the dark star core.

False equalization. Bowser is comparable to Dark Bowser, Shadow Dedede isn't.

>It would be very difficult for Shadow Dedede to get the chance to destroy it because in the game whenever Dark Bowser coughs it out he immeadiately starts trying to inhale it getting in an inhale struggle with Bowser.

Shadow Dedede does something and there is nothing left of both of them. Dark Bowser can't get past that. Kindly annihilate them one after the other also works.

Also doesn't bring stuff of ages age in other wikis, it is not nice you know.
 
Um yeah, your tiering IS subjective. Not everyone agrees with the tiers you give characters and tiering itself is open to interpretation. And you guys have changed your tiering many times. And ok, so you have played the game. It's my favorite Mario game too btw so *virtual high five*. Anyway,

"Shadow Dedede does something and there is nothing left of both of them. Dark Bowser can't get past that. Kindly annihilate them one after the other also works."

Show evidence for that. Also, I bring up the thing from the Death Battle Fanon Wiki because it is relevant to bring up because it is ironic for you to be calling something an NLF when you believe in one of the biggest NLFs in fiction.
 
>Um yeah, your tiering IS subjective. Not everyone agrees with the tiers you give characters and tiering itself is open to interpretation

Characters normally have threads to properly discuss changes to them, if you don't like some stats you can make a thread about it to see what you can do about it. Your argument to affirm that our tiering is subjective is quite false.

>Show evidence for that.

You already know the AP difference.

Don't bring stuff from my time in DBFW, there are several things I regret from that time. I still enjoy the wiki once in a while tho.
 
If you think your tiering is objective fact then that is quite arrogant. And yeah, I see what the AP difference is according to here. Also, have you changed your mind about your claim from the DBFW Wiki?
 
Ye pal, here on this wiki tiers are objective facts until proven wrong in a CRT, you can't just go on VS threads saying "Uh, I think character X wins because I think he's 2 tiers above of what he's listed". I might as well say Naruto can beat Goku because I think Naruto is Low 2-C.
 
@MadMax I did not said that, just that it's not subjective.

>have you changed your mind about your claim from the DBFW Wiki?

I think so? I don't properly remember it.
 
@Dziga, You know, under a different interpretation, some consider Bowser to be universal because of Super Mario Galaxy and so they could scale Dark Bowser to that because he replicated his DNA. Same with King Dedede actually since he did help Kirby beat Magolor and Shadow Dedede is basically a possessed King Dedede. So under that view, this would be really close. Point is that in this case, it's all a matter of interpretation based on evidence, so here your tiers on these two characters are NOT objective fact. Obviously in some cases it is objective fact like rating a Goomba 10-C which is clearly true because it is supported by canon as Goombas have been stated to be the weakest of the weak in official And no I didn't say anything like "Uh, I think character X wins because I think he's 2 tiers above of what he's listed". That's an argument without evidence.

@Efficiente,

>I did not said that, just said it's not subjective

If you're saying that it's not subjective then that is you claiming that it's objective fact. The opposite of subjective is objective so if you said it's NOT subjective then obviously that is you saying it's objective. I don't see how you can deny that.

And your claim from the DBFW Wiki was that Ganondorf is immortal/ can only die from holy weapons which is a blatant NLF.
 
You say "interpretation" but those feats were rejected with arguments against them, without simply interpreting them differently. You can check all the threads in which those things were discussed, and make one to upgrade them if you can bring something new.

>"Uh, I think character X wins because I think he's 2 tiers above of what he's listed". That's an argument without evidence

Look, if x character is listed with x tier there are reasons for it and therefore evidence.

I said our tiering isn't subjective, if you can't provide evidence that this isn't the case then you shouldn't had bother in saying that my position is "quite arrogant".
 
Uh, I think character X wins because I think he's 2 tiers above of what he's listed

>Look, if x character is listed with x tier there are reasons for it and therefore evidence.

You're misinterpreting what the other guy meant by the initial comment. He was implying that I was saying that I think a character wins because I personally just think that he tiers above the other which I never said and then I said that is a argument without evidence. I wasn't referring to a tier placed on any particular page.

> You say "interpretation" but those feats were rejected with arguments against them, without simply interpreting them differently

Anyone can reject something with arguments against it but show the actual facts that debunk the feats. Also, you haven't provided any evidence for your position either, you just keep pointing to the tiers that your site has made up treating it like the word of God and not stating the reasons why the tiers are that way. And if you're to continue to think that your tiering i'snt subjective then that is arrogant.
 
And you know what, I WILL give evidence. Dark Bowser copied Bowser's DNA and gained everything about him so let's take a look at some of Bowser's best feats to determine how powerful Dark Bowser should be via scaling to Bowser, so we can see that Dark Bowser is a higher tier than you think he is.

  • Defeated Mario occasionally like in Super Mario Odyssey Intro (Keep in mind that according to your site's tiering Mario can be put at Galaxy level for defeating a Grand Star infused Bowser)
  • Survived a black hole in Mario Party 5, Mario Party 6, Mario Party 8, Mario Party 9, & SMG2.
  • Survived being thrown into a sun.
  • Tagged Lubba's starship with meteors
    • Lubba's starship is capable of traveling at speeds MFTL
  • Outpaced a black hole
And again since Dark Bowser copied Bowser's DNA gaining all of Bowser's strengths, powers, abilities, etc that means he scales to all of this putting him at a higher tier than this site places him as. Also, higher speed and durability as well.
 
Those feats don't save him from getting one-shotted by someone millions of times stronger. Speed is equalized, which prevents Shadow Dedede from blitzing Dark Bowser.
 
They do save him actually. If Bowser survived a black hole and Dark Bowser replicated his DNA then Shadow Dedede can't one-shot someone of that durability. And no, Shadow Dedede doesn't blitz either as Bowser has performed MFTL feats and therefore Dark Bowser could go that fast too.
 
Surviving a black hole isn't considered an impressive feat unless it is quantified first. Mega Man X's black holes were only solar system level for examlple, which is still below Multi-Solar System level (by a lot).

Shadow Dedede is a higher end of MFTL.
 
Because Mega Man/ Mega Man X's black holes aren't real black holes obviously. The ones in Mario games especially Super Mario Galaxy 2 are real black holes. And how much of a higher end of MFTL is Shadow Dedede? And where's the proof for this?
 
X's black holes are considered real black holes tho. Even if they weren't, that doesn't take away from the fact that Bowser's black hole feats need to be quantified before you automatically assume the feat grants him an inherent superiority over Shadow Dedede.

As for speed, read the profiles. He scales to Kirby and the Warp Star .
 
Juuust noticed that Dark Bowser is High 4-C and Sub-Relativistic while Shadow Triple De is 4-A and MFTL+. This should probably be closed.
 
@Maverick, Only according to your own site's tiers that you all treat as the word of God yeah. And this site did originally have Dark Bowser as 4-A until you guys decided to downplay the entire Mario universe recently for some reason. But you know what, just close the thread. It's clear I can't change your mind and you can't change mine so just end it.
 
If you disagree with how the characters are rated then visit the Content Revision Board and advocate to get things changed. Until then you should go about going by what's listed on the profiles when participating in a Versus Thread (as per the rules).

Btw I don't treat every rating around here as "word of god". There are many profiles I completely disagree with.
 
Ok fine, I'll do that sometime. Also, good that you don't treat them all like word of god but this Eficiente guy clearly does. He thinks that all of the profiles here are objective fact. And so does Dziga apparently. But yeah, just close the thread because clearly this i'snt going anywhere. I disagree with your tiers on these characters and I won't be convinced otherwise and it's clear you guys won't be convinced to change them either so let's just end it.
 
Yes you did actually. You said the tiers aren't subjective. The opposite of subjective is objective so that is obviously you implying that all of the tiers are objective fact.
 
I never said that anything was a fact, and I never treat anything like word of god, if I had that type of beliefs I wouldn't have said that one can try to modify stats with threads, I wouldn't participate & support those threads, and I wouldn't disagree with some stats in this wiki.
 
Please don't claim that I said things I didn't, that's everything I have to say.
 
Eficiente said:
I said our tiering isn't subjective, if you can't provide evidence that this isn't the case then you shouldn't had bother in saying that my position is "quite arrogant".
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Technically, you did say that
 
I did said that, not what's bothering me

MadMaxPyro said:
Also, good that you don't treat them all like word of god but this Eficiente guy clearly does. He thinks that all of the profiles here are objective fact. And so does Dziga apparently.
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Saying something isn't subjective=/=Saying something is an objective fact, much less treat something like word of god
 
Saying it i'snt subjective IS saying it's objective. The opposite of subjective is objective, so since you said that it is NOT subjective, you are therefore saying that it is objective. How many times must I explain that to you? Btw, the proper grammar is " I did say that" not " I did said that."
 
Considering how you misinterpreted what I said, I will not say anything more here.
 
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