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Shouldn't we gave Semi-Perfect Cell with Self-Destruction a new AP of "At least High 4-C"? It was strong enough to kill Cell Saga FPSSJ Goku
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Semi-Perfect Cell Self-Destruction
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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Goku might have died due to lack of air after the planet got exploded, since that's what happened in RoF, when Frieza killed SSB Vegeta by blowing up Earth before Whis rewinded time despite him being exhausted and only in base form
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he was on King Kai's planet so that really doesn't work, given Goku can breath basically anywhere in otherworld.
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The anime shows goku getting deleted, does the manga show anything like that?
Air is everywhere so no, it was the explosion, that was the whole implication of the scene, plus i'm pretty sure cell regenerated immediately after that so goku should've still been alive even without air.
Air is everywhere so no, it was the explosion, that was the whole implication of the scene, plus i'm pretty sure cell regenerated immediately after that so goku should've still been alive even without air.
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Yes, Goku got deleted even in the manga. He definitely died due to the explosion, air isn't a problem in the afterlife.
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I'm in favor of the AP increase for the self-destruct.
Nullflowerblush
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There's air in Other World?
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Most likely yes, breathing has never been a problem for anyone, living or dead, in or out King Kai's planet.
Nullflowerblush
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Oh yeah yeah, forgot about that.
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This seems fine imo
Gilad_Hyperstar
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If so, then Cell should get a High 4-C ratings with his explosions
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Bump
Honestly, I see no problem with Semi-Perfect Cell being High 4-C with Self-Destruction, it implied that this was his last resort (at least in this form) and absolutely does not scale Cell's normal AP, since in this form, his normal power is much inferior to 2nd Grade Super Saiyan Vegeta, who in turn is much weaker than FPSSJ Goku, who he managed to kill via his Self-Destruction
It's like a similar case where DBS Android 17 AP is Low 2-C via Self-Destruction but his normal AP is 3-A (Yes, I know very well it's not the best example, but it still counts)
Honestly, I see no problem with Semi-Perfect Cell being High 4-C with Self-Destruction, it implied that this was his last resort (at least in this form) and absolutely does not scale Cell's normal AP, since in this form, his normal power is much inferior to 2nd Grade Super Saiyan Vegeta, who in turn is much weaker than FPSSJ Goku, who he managed to kill via his Self-Destruction
It's like a similar case where DBS Android 17 AP is Low 2-C via Self-Destruction but his normal AP is 3-A (Yes, I know very well it's not the best example, but it still counts)
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Yeah High 4-C seems fine for exclusively self-destruction imo.
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Should this thread be moved to Content Revision? It's pretty straightforwards, there's no scaling involved and everyone agreed on it.
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Yes, please
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I asked for the thread to be moved, but wait before applying the changes, once it gets moved.
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So, everyone here agrees with Semi-Perfect Cell being High 4-C with only Self-Destruction?
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Would you be fine with this? It seems like a rather uncontroversial change.
Would you be fine with this? It seems like a rather uncontroversial change.
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Indeed.
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The explosion outright killing Goku makes sense, but wasn't Goku also significantly weakened from fighting Perfect Cell and later from fighting a Cell Jr?
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Goku was exhausted and weaker than the Cell Juniors at the time, but I doubt his tier dropped.
If push comes to shove, a "far higher with Self-Destruction" always works.
If push comes to shove, a "far higher with Self-Destruction" always works.
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That also works for me.
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Well. In the anime, Goku was exhausted and weakened to the point that he was implied to be weaker than Yamcha and Tien Shinhan by Piccolo.
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In the manga there's no mention of it, though.
Goku was indeed worn out, but he still had enough energy to keep the ssj on and barely fight the Cell Jrs., but I don't think, which are still really strong, most likely not as Cell but not even too distant.
Correction: Goku was getting stomped,while Trunks and Vegeta were fighting back, even though they weren't on par with the Jrs.
Goku was indeed worn out, but he still had enough energy to keep the ssj on and barely fight the Cell Jrs., but I don't think, which are still really strong, most likely not as Cell but not even too distant.
Correction: Goku was getting stomped,while Trunks and Vegeta were fighting back, even though they weren't on par with the Jrs.
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Yeah. Goku clearly wasn't anywhere near his peak, but since the anime is not canon. I guess the argument that his tier shouldn't be dropped even when he is extremely weakened can be made. Though, I remember that in DB, when you're in a highly fatigued state and extremely weakened, you can be harmed by weaker people with lower tiers.
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Goku was weakened after fighting the cell
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Is not exactly unreliable, this just means "likely/possible far higher" should be used instead of high 4-C
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This. Goku was weaker than Cell Jr. We don't know how much exactly, but it's insufficient information to base Cell's self-destruction on.
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Yeah, this is true. Forgot about it. At least High 4-C with self-destruction for Cell is all fine now.
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It is in chapter 215. While in the manga, it isn't explicitly shown that Goku ate a bean, but in the anime, it was clearly shown.
Nullflowerblush
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Gohan gave Trunks the Senzu Beans in the previous chapter, but everyone's wounds remains as if Trunks neglected to give anyone a Bean.
EDIT: Their wounds actually vanish in 217, leaving only the blood from their lips so yeah, I think they ate a Senzu.
EDIT: Their wounds actually vanish in 217, leaving only the blood from their lips so yeah, I think they ate a Senzu.
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So, do you guys prefer "likely at least High 4-C with Self-Destruction" or just "likely High 4-C with Self-Destruction" for Cell?
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