Self-evident intelligence revisions thread

[Raincutter]

This isn't accepted yet, no? Why did you add it? (Sry if i missed it's agreement. )

Also this ignores a few thing. L at that moment was depressed and wasn't actually doing much of a research. So Light finding it before L is kinda meaningless.

Just finding about Yotsuba wouldn't mean well as Light himself wanted Rem to choose someone like that, a person who would use it selfishly and would be found. Genius and even Gifted is more than enough for it.

Databook also states that Near has his own limitations for using his abilities. Even Light himself stated that L would definitely figure out Light's plan(reverse engineered Near's plan) and counter it, which Near could only do it thanks to Mello's sacrifice and Mikami's mistake.

Becoming one of the greatest police leaders is a great achievement, but wouldn't be more than Genius, if not Gifted imo.

None of the extra feats support EG as far as i see. Light's feat would be "Genius" or "at least Genius".

Also i think you also added feats that isn't Light's to his page. Beyond Birthday is heavily implied to be killed by a "Kira" but it can't be Light. It would be Misa as she's the one with the eyes, not an intelligence feat at all.

L at age 6 was able to play the stock markets, a feat used to justify his EG rating, and the LABB novel implies he grows much smarter over time. Even the adult L that helped solve the BB case was considered several notches below the one that fought Light. So a depressed L should still scale above his kid self i.e. Light's stock market feat > Kid L's stock market feat

Rem choosing Higuchi is irrelevant. Memory-wiped Light wouldn't even know that. As I said, the feat is that Light was able to learn how to analyze the stock market and how deaths were affecting it, discerning data, with 0 prior experience.

Light stating L would've done that means he knew the plan would work on Near but probably not L, which just means he calibrated the plan to someone of Near's level and probably would added more countermeasures against L

Light working "brilliantly" as L supports EG. I mean, L's EG rating comes from being the world's greatest detective solving the hardest cases and a non-canon WW3 statement from the CTW novel. The LABB novel states that WW3 did happen in the canon timeline.

BB was killed by Kira before Misa's parents were even avenged. This feat supports his relativity to L since Mello heavily implies L wouldn't have discovered BB's real name.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Also this ignores a few thing. L at that moment was depressed and wasn't actually doing much of a research. So Light finding it before L is kinda meaningless.

You're right about that detail. However, L said Light did "very impressive research" and became interested in the Kira case again as a result, so Light's research was still impressive to L. This could mean a lot considering L's own skill in researching the stock market, as evident in how L managed to increase the value of Watari's assets by 20,000 times their original value within just two years. The story where that happened showed how L became interested in solving criminal cases, and it was because he was seeking challenging puzzles, which led him to trying to solve a cold case after he had performed the stock market feat. So, someone who has such an understanding of the stock market being impressed by Light's own understanding of it in a serious criminal investigation can suggest comparability.

Just finding about Yotsuba wouldn't mean well as Light himself wanted Rem to choose someone like that, a person who would use it selfishly and would be found. Genius and even Gifted is more than enough for it.

You forgot about how Light did that feat when he had no memories of using Death Notes, the existence of Shinigami, and the like. This is "Good Light" we're talking about. Kira could've been anyone for all Light knew at the time. His skills are just that good.

 

[Antvasima]

@MrTayman616

What do you think about the above reasoning?

 

[MrTayman616]

You forgot about how Light did that feat when he had no memories of using Death Notes, the existence of Shinigami, and the like. This is "Good Light" we're talking about. Kira could've been anyone for all Light knew at the time. His skills are just that good.

Light wanted someone who would use it selfishly, which would make them easier to find. Even Gifted would be enough for this feat.

You're right about that detail. However, L said Light did "very impressive research" and became interested in the Kira case again as a result, so Light's research was still impressive to L. This could mean a lot considering L's own skill in researching the stock market, as evident in how L managed to increase the value of Watari's assets by 20,000 times their original value within just two years. The story where that happened showed how L became interested in solving criminal cases, and it was because he was seeking challenging puzzles, which led him to trying to solve a cold case after he had performed the stock market feat. So, someone who has such an understanding of the stock market being impressed by Light's own understanding of it in a serious criminal investigation can suggest comparability.

L doesn't praise people by how they compare to him but based on their actions and usefulness for the case. Light found something and L praises him. He did the same for Light's father as well.

L at age 6 was able to play the stock markets, a feat used to justify his EG rating, and the LABB novel implies he grows much smarter over time. Even the adult L that helped solve the BB case was considered several notches below the one that fought Light. So a depressed L should still scale above his kid self i.e. Light's stock market feat > Kid L's stock market feat

No. L was completely out of it. Lacked motivation. We're shown that he wasn't doing much.

A depressed L is smarter than his 6 year old version, yes. But this is meaningless if he's not even trying to do much.

He gained motivation after Light found it.

Rem choosing Higuchi is irrelevant. Memory-wiped Light wouldn't even know that. As I said, the feat is that Light was able to learn how to analyze the stock market and how deaths were affecting it, discerning data, with 0 prior experience.

It isn't. While finding about it is still a feat, it would be gifted to genius at best.

Light himself wanted someone that would use it selfishly thus would be easier to find. Rather than someone capable etc.

Light stating L would've done that means he knew the plan would work on Near but probably not L, which just means he calibrated the plan to someone of Near's level and probably would added more countermeasures against L

Light himself started talking about it after seeing Near actually being there. He compares him to L and finds him far inferior. After Near faked about "I changed the pages", he was sure his plan worked thus compared it.

Talking about what if it was against L etc. is just assumption, not a feat or can be used like that.

An obvious Genius level feat imo.

Light working "brilliantly" as L supports EG. I mean, L's EG rating comes from being the world's greatest detective solving the hardest cases and a non-canon WW3 statement from the CTW novel. The LABB novel states that WW3 did happen in the canon timeline.

BB was killed by Kira before Misa's parents were even avenged. This feat supports his relativity to L since Mello heavily implies L wouldn't have discovered BB's real name.

No, While Light is working brilliantly as "L", so did Near. Being a successor to L's name is not an EG feat. Not only that, we don't know if if he just works as top three detectives or even uses the hundreds of detectives L had under his name or anything critical.

L's EG feat aren't mainly from those either.

Can't say anything about BB rn as i can't really check much today. (In vacation, no PC etc.)

Anyway, overall i don't think those are enough to be EG.

(Sry for answering late, not at home)

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Light wanted someone who would use it selfishly, which would make them easier to find. Even Gifted would be enough for this feat.

This is exactly what I was addressing in my reply.

L doesn't praise people by how they compare to him but based on their actions and usefulness for the case. Light found something and L praises him. He did the same for Light's father as well.

Fair enough. I could go deeper in trying to prove my point, but...


I think this matter overall should have its own content revision thread or explanation blog post about it, since it's not self-evident. This thread is about self-evident intelligence revisions, and when a proposal reaches the point where assuredly agreeing or disagreeing with it requires a lot of familiarity with the series, the proposal becomes something for people who have a specialized familiarity with the fiction in question.

 

[MrTayman616]

This is exactly what I was addressing in my reply.

Fair enough. I could go deeper in trying to prove my point, but...


I think this matter overall should have its own content revision thread or explanation blog post about it, since it's not self-evident. This thread is about self-evident intelligence revisions, and when a proposal reaches the point where assuredly agreeing or disagreeing with it requires a lot of familiarity with the series, the proposal becomes something for people who have a specialized familiarity with the fiction in question.

Ok. so one of you will create a thread for it or something?

 

[HorrorHistory]

Would any of these feats (not all are displayed yet) qualify for EG?

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Ok. so one of you will create a thread for it or something?

I've thought of making a blog post about Light and L having comparable intelligence a long while before this conversation, but I didn't get around to it. I still would rather focus on other things right now. Sorry.

 

[09Kayson09]

Should Gifted fits better into MCU Sentry?

The Sentry (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Robert "Bob" Reynolds is a former drug addict who took part in Project Sentry, an operation by O.X.E. designed to create the ultimate superhero. Unlike the project's other test subjects, Reynolds survived the experiments and gained immense power, but he was erroneously deemed a failure and...

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[Vzearr]

Should Gifted fits better into MCU Sentry?

The Sentry (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Robert "Bob" Reynolds is a former drug addict who took part in Project Sentry, an operation by O.X.E. designed to create the ultimate superhero. Unlike the project's other test subjects, Reynolds survived the experiments and gained immense power, but he was erroneously deemed a failure and...

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Why? there's no justification for that.

 

[MrTayman616]

Should Gifted fits better into MCU Sentry?

He doesn't have anything for it, at least in his profile. We don't know how difficult it is to master his powers as well. (Even above average seems high based on the explanation imo)

 

[Antvasima]

Was the issue regarding L's intelligence above ever properly concluded?

 

[MrTayman616]

Was the issue regarding L's intelligence above ever properly concluded?

He didn't enter the wiki ever since. (I hope he's fine )

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

He didn't enter the wiki ever since. (I hope he's fine )

I took a break from VS Battles Wiki contributions, but like I wrote already, I would rather focus on other things right now. I have too many "I should make an explanation blog post about this" plans for different fictions, and the VS Battles Wiki isn't the only place I go in my free time, so I end up not getting any blog posts projects done in short time. (Thanks for hoping I'm fine though!)

 

[Oiguana2701]

I think that The Blob that Ate Everyone should have its intelligence downgraded, as, after watching the entire episode, I don't think it has any feats that get it out of animalistic. Its best feat is following a teen, which is something a snail could do. I'd personally go with Animalistic because it showcases basic intelligence feats.

 

[Antvasima]

That seems reasonable to me.

 

[HorrorHistory]

Would any of these feats (not all are displayed yet) qualify for EG?

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[Antvasima]

Please summarise to the most impressive feats.

 

[HorrorHistory]

Please summarise to the most impressive feats.

General Intelligence: He shows exceptional intelligence across multiple domains. He has a borderline photographic memory, having memorized all 26 books of the Lupin series books, giving him a foundation in strategy, deduction, and criminal methodology. His knowledge extends deeply into history, art, and medicine, allowing him to understand and exploit centuries-old artifacts or medical details when needed. He is also highly academically gifted, having enrolled in one of France’s top private schools while living in an orphanage, despite no prior formal education. He also self-taught himself in using prosthetics in order to mask his identity, which he has shown to be extremely skilled at. On top of that, Assane has incredible visual intelligence as well, capable of mentally mapping entire mansions, museums, or other complex environments to evade cameras, or find optimal escape routes during his heists. He also integrates his reasoning, memory, and observation into practical problem-solving. In general, he is also narratively the "real life" version of Arsène Lupin, who is generally considered comparable, if not superior to that of Sherlock Holmes.

Deception: Deception is the cornerstone of Assane’s abilities, and he thrives on disguises, misdirection, and psychological manipulation; not to mention his sleight-of-hand skills that he takes advantage of in basically every episode of the entire show. He can seamlessly impersonate a chauffeur, museum guide, police officer, or IT specialist, gaining trust, access, and information from anyone. Assane also manipulates entire systems, the police, media, and public perception to create confusion, false leads, or orchestrated narratives. He exploits the personal secrets of some of France’s most powerful families, like the Pellegrini's, and steering them toward decisions that serve his plan. His social engineering is highly advanced, as he convinces witnesses, informants, and even accomplices to act in ways that benefit him, often without them realizing it.

Planning: In general, his planning is meticulous, multi-layered, and executed with near-perfect precision. He rarely acts impulsively, preferring to construct schemes that account for multiple contingencies, anticipate opponent's behavior, and adapt to changing circumstances. His plans often unfold over days, weeks, or even years, requiring him to have insane predictions about the future, coordination, misdirection, and attention to detail. Many of these examples are seen in his Louvre Auction plan, Black Pearl heist, Pellegrini's Takedown plot, etc. He synchronizes multiple actors across different locations, anticipates law enforcement responses, and prepares for unexpected events. Usually, the result is a seamless orchestration where every step serves a purpose, and he is generally able to stay one step ahead of law enforcement's attempts at capturing him and is able to counteract any attempt they try. He is also in general considered the greatest thief in French history, to where the point hundreds of people view him as their "hero".

At bare minimum, these should allow for him to be "At least Genius", but I also do think "Extraordinary Genius" should apply as well.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that "At least Genius" is considerably more appropriate.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Please summarise her feats.

I look up at the towering castle keep, and it's hard
not to feel a crushing sense of intimidation.
This is the stronghold of Hebijo Academy.

"Where is Hibari...?"
I'm brimming over with frustration.

The receiver in my ear emits a small beep.
I didn't let Mirai go for no reason.
I flicked a little plant, called a remora
flower, onto her back.

The remora flower is extremely sticky and
will cling to almost anything, much like a remora.
It's also remarkable at camouflage, with its
color shifting to match whatever it's stuck to.

This specific plant contains a small tracking device.
And it seems to be working like a charm.

Suddenly, the beeping gets rapid.
Mirai must be close.
I immediately conceal myself within the shadow of
a tree.

Shortly after, I see Mirai appear with
Homura and the others.

But...there's no sign of Hibari.

I wait, with bated breath, for them to move on.
Since Haruka isn't with them, it makes sense
that Hibari would also be absent.

I saw Haruka and Hibari walking together a little
while back. Were I at my best, I would have
confronted Haruka then and there.
But in my current condition,
I'd likely not survive the encounter.
If not for this injury...

I pull away the fabric from my skin. It's as if
I've been painted. My hand is stained dark red.
The fight with Mirai caused the wound to reopen.

I'll just have to wait for Hibari to be alone...
I grind my teeth. I'm so disappointed in myself.
I wouldn't have said the things I said to the
others if I'd known this is how it would turn out...

Feelings of regret flood my mind.

Shortly after I fought Mirai...

I fitted the earpiece into my ear
and heard the faint beeping.

The beeps were growing farther apart, which meant
Mirai was moving away from the shinobi hospital.
If I didn't hurry, I'd lose sight of her.

As I tried to leave the hospital, the others came in.
"Yagyū, you HAVE to get some rest"

As I surveyed their faces, I grew exceedingly angry.
"Why did you allow Hibari to go alone?"

They took a step back at the anger in my voice.
"W-well, we..."

I'd felt it was obvious that Hibari would
behave recklessly in a situation like this.

If they hadn't left Hibari on her own, she
wouldn't have been taken by the Hebijo.

"Stand aside," I told them as
they blocked my way to the door.

"What do you think you can do in your condition?"
Ikaruga's voice was thick with concern, but I
could only think of it as meddling.

"You're never going to find her by blindly looking,"
Katsuragi protested, blunt as ever.
What did they think I was planning to do?

"Let's all search. I mean, she's our friend, right?"

Asuka's words served only to annoy me.

"Friend, friend, friend! If you're such friends,
why did you leave her alone?!"

Asuka had no retort. She simply hung her head.
"I don’t need friends. I’ll do it on my own.
You’d just get in the way. Do NOT follow me."
I pushed Asuka’s hands away.
"Yagyū…"
I heard her calling me, but I left the hospital room without looking back.

Thinking on it now, I know I went too far. The blame doesn’t rest solely with them. It’s my own fault that I was wounded to begin with.
If I hadn’t been hurt, Hibari wouldn’t feel as responsible as she does either.
But I can’t sit back and do nothing.
I have to save Hibari from the Hebijo.

I bind a strip of fabric tightly around the wound.
This should stop the bleeding, at least.
I bite back the scream of pain.

I’ll save her. I swear I will.
Nothing could ever replace Hibari for me. I can’t be without her.
If I should ever lose her…
A sword suddenly comes swinging down at me. I dodge in the nick of time.
"What are you doing here?!"
A solitary lesser shinobi stands, blade at the ready.
"Hmph."
The shinobi whistles to call her friends. Ten of them… twenty… all gathering here.
If I were at my best, I’d have options: fight or flee? But I’m not even at half my strength.
I toss a bit of grass with anesthetic properties into my mouth to numb the pain. It tastes bitter.
*"I guess you leave me no choice…" *
I bring up my umbrella and drop into stance.
Fleeing is not an option. I’ll fight to the death. If I can give Hibari a chance to escape…
I wish I could apologize to everyone for what I said.
I wish I could talk to Hibari, one last time.

Despite my numerous regrets, I set them
aside and get a handle on my breathing.
Once it's at the pace I need, I kick my right leg out.

I kill, kill and kill again.
I stay constantly on the move, never in one place
long enough for my foes to draw a bead on me.
So many enemies stand against me, yet one by one,
I proceed to whittle down their numbers.

This is a risky tactic for me to use,
however, in my current condition.
The more violent my movements, the more my
wound opens. I feel myself beginning to grow
faint from the blood loss.

Even so, I wield my umbrella until the absolute last possible moment.
My vision starts to go a little blurry.

I won’t be beaten.
Hibari… I have to help her.
I can’t… give up…

 

[Antvasima]

Maybe "At least Above Average"?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Shinobu Kocho

Shinobu Kocho

Shinobu Kocho (胡こ蝶ちょう しのぶ, Kochō Shinobu?) was raised in a loving and caring household until her parents were slaughtered by Demons right before her and her older sister Kanae's eyes. Just when the Demon was about to take the lives of her and her sister as well, they were saved by Gyomei...

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Intelligence: At least Genius (Became a preternatural expert of pharmacology, medicine and poisons by age 18. Needed only a single look to prepare a complete cure for a supernatural poison that transformed people into spiders using only early 20th century technology. Could rapidly mix and adjust new poisons mid-battle to counter Doma’s adaptive resistance to them. Invented her own Breathing Style to compensate for her lack of arm strength centered around her own custom weapon and use of poisons. She possesses an impressive level of knowledge about the anatomy of human and demon bodies. Successfully planned a strategy to defeat both Doma and Muzan Kibutsuji despite their far superior power. Helped the over 500 year old medical expert Tamayo successfully complete the supernatural anti-Muzan multi-stage drug in a mere few weeks of collaboration after Tamayo had been stuck working on it for roughly a year)

Would this qualify for this new rating or anything higher?

 

[NikHelton]

Shinobu Kocho

Shinobu Kocho

Shinobu Kocho (胡こ蝶ちょう しのぶ, Kochō Shinobu?) was raised in a loving and caring household until her parents were slaughtered by Demons right before her and her older sister Kanae's eyes. Just when the Demon was about to take the lives of her and her sister as well, they were saved by Gyomei...

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Intelligence: At least Genius (Became a preternatural expert of pharmacology, medicine and poisons by age 18. Needed only a single look to prepare a complete cure for a supernatural poison that transformed people into spiders using only early 20th century technology. Could rapidly mix and adjust new poisons mid-battle to counter Doma’s adaptive resistance to them. Invented her own Breathing Style to compensate for her lack of arm strength centered around her own custom weapon and use of poisons. Successfully planned a strategy to defeat both Doma and Muzan Kibutsuji despite their far superior power. Helped the over 500 year old medical expert Tamayo successfully complete the supernatural anti-Muzan multi-stage drug in a mere few weeks of collaboration after Tamayo had been stuck working on it for roughly a year)

Would this qualify or anything higher?

It's perfectly logical. She's a talented chemist and a skilled engineer who created a special katana and an incredibly large number of poisons with various effects.

 

[Epyriel]

Shinobu Kocho

Shinobu Kocho

Shinobu Kocho (胡こ蝶ちょう しのぶ, Kochō Shinobu?) was raised in a loving and caring household until her parents were slaughtered by Demons right before her and her older sister Kanae's eyes. Just when the Demon was about to take the lives of her and her sister as well, they were saved by Gyomei...

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Intelligence: At least Genius (Became a preternatural expert of pharmacology, medicine and poisons by age 18. Needed only a single look to prepare a complete cure for a supernatural poison that transformed people into spiders using only early 20th century technology. Could rapidly mix and adjust new poisons mid-battle to counter Doma’s adaptive resistance to them. Invented her own Breathing Style to compensate for her lack of arm strength centered around her own custom weapon and use of poisons. Successfully planned a strategy to defeat both Doma and Muzan Kibutsuji despite their far superior power. Helped the over 500 year old medical expert Tamayo successfully complete the supernatural anti-Muzan multi-stage drug in a mere few weeks of collaboration after Tamayo had been stuck working on it for roughly a year)

Would this qualify or anything higher?

Should warrant at least a “possibly Extraordinary Genius” in my opinion considering the breadth of knowledge and skill in pharmacology, medicine and poisons being greatly above even modern day real world limits and yet only accomplished with WW1 era technology.

 

[NikHelton]

Should warrant at least a “possibly Extraordinary Genius” in my opinion considering the breadth of knowledge and skill in pharmacology, medicine and poisons being greatly above even modern day real world limits and yet only accomplished with WW1 era technology.

Unfortunately, this isn't enough for an outstanding genius. These are closely related fields, and I'm not entirely sure she's as competent as modern geniuses

 

[Epyriel]

Unfortunately, this isn't enough for an outstanding genius. These are closely related fields, and I'm not entirely sure she's as competent as modern geniuses

Being able to immediately know how to create a cure for a supernatural full body transformative poison after merely looking at its effects for a single glance is immensely superior to the capabilities of real life medical prodigies and pharmacologists. Let alone the fact she did so at age 18 with less than 4 years of training.

Let alone the fact that medical knowledge at the time considered cocaine a viable cure to having a cough.

 

[Antvasima]

Shinobu Kocho

Shinobu Kocho

Shinobu Kocho (胡こ蝶ちょう しのぶ, Kochō Shinobu?) was raised in a loving and caring household until her parents were slaughtered by Demons right before her and her older sister Kanae's eyes. Just when the Demon was about to take the lives of her and her sister as well, they were saved by Gyomei...

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Intelligence: At least Genius (Became a preternatural expert of pharmacology, medicine and poisons by age 18. Needed only a single look to prepare a complete cure for a supernatural poison that transformed people into spiders using only early 20th century technology. Could rapidly mix and adjust new poisons mid-battle to counter Doma’s adaptive resistance to them. Invented her own Breathing Style to compensate for her lack of arm strength centered around her own custom weapon and use of poisons. She possesses an impressive level of knowledge about the anatomy of human and demon bodies. Successfully planned a strategy to defeat both Doma and Muzan Kibutsuji despite their far superior power. Helped the over 500 year old medical expert Tamayo successfully complete the supernatural anti-Muzan multi-stage drug in a mere few weeks of collaboration after Tamayo had been stuck working on it for roughly a year)

Would this qualify for this new rating or anything higher?

That seems perfectly acceptable.

 

[Antvasima]

Being able to immediately know how to create a cure for a supernatural full body transformative poison after merely looking at its effects for a single glance is immensely superior to the capabilities of real life medical prodigies and pharmacologists. Let alone the fact she did so at age 18 with less than 4 years of training.

Let alone the fact that medical knowledge at the time considered cocaine a viable cure to having a cough.

I think that "At least Genius, likely Extraordinary Genius" seems fine.

 

[Nonynho]

Greetings.
A colleague of mine recommended reaching here to discuss the intelligence rating of my most recent profile, Maomao.
(for reading sake, references will be removed due to them not properly working on the forum, consulting the profile will provide them properly)

Intelligence: Extraordinary Genius (Able to perform her studying really quickly even while being a hostage, reading around 10 books and notebooks and then claiming "4 hours must have passed", she also studies each situation throughly in a matter of few seconds, analyzing ways to put only her, if anyone at all, in risk's way, solving problems that put people in despair easily, with her calm and collected personality that only breaks on purpose for the sake of her curiousity or sense of justice. Her knowledge stretches to multiple fields to do things that are unimaginable for most, like engineering a building for making flowers bloom out of season, likely in minutes, designing a simple destilation aparathus to acquire ethilic alcohol for better cleaning of the clinic using only simple materials that weren't going to be missed on it, knowing just by looking which flowers and mushrooms are poisonous or not and even why some species are blooming in some area and, also by a glance and memory, knowing regular and rare medicine materials, to the point of deciphering possible ingredients to a drug that simulates death by lowering blood pressure only by deduction and, according to the one who confectionated it, only got one wrong. All of that (and more) by herself, learned, according to her, by watching her father do it or because she "saw someone do it, once", on the country of Li, heavily inspired by the Tang Dinasty, making her story be around the 600's CE to 900's CE, by our real-life standards)

Said colleague claims that it'd warrant at max the rating of "At least Genius", i disagree and am heavily convinced that this warrants the EG rating.
Anyone mind giving inputs for the debate?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Greetings.
A colleague of mine recommended reaching here to discuss the intelligence rating of my most recent profile, Maomao.
(for reading sake, references will be removed due to them not properly working on the forum, consulting the profile will provide them properly)


Said colleague claims that it'd warrant at max the rating of "At least Genius", i disagree and am heavily convinced that this warrants the EG rating.
Anyone mind giving inputs for the debate?

Seems reasonable.

 

[Nonynho]

Seems reasonable.

Thank you for the input!

IMO warrants leaving the profile as it is

 

[Antvasima]

It likely only warrants an "At least Genius" rating, given that the listen feats are not extreme enough to establish with certainty that the character in question has intelligence far above the real world human upper limits.

 

[Nonynho]

It likely only warrants an "At least Genius" rating, given that the listen feats are not extreme enough to establish with certainty that the character in question has intelligence far above the real world human upper limits.

I would like more clarification on why you claim this, because I'm convinced of the contrary, and am not alone, since our colleague Medeus also think it's enough to warrant the rating.
I think you presenting reasoning to say that the character involved is under the real world human limits is warranted

 

[Nonynho]

It likely only warrants an "At least Genius" rating, given that the listen feats are not extreme enough to establish with certainty that the character in question has intelligence far above the real world human upper limits.

Also, as the question is still to be solved, I position myself respectfully against your decision to change the profile and will be undoing it until we reach a decision here

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

On second thought, I think At least genius is probably better.

 

[Nonynho]

I would really like if both presented further reasoning for the current positions, and think it's a reasonable plead

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I believe this quote makes sense.

"According to the intelligence standards, in order to get the Extraordinary Genius rating, a character must be able to outperform supercomputers. Basically being above the real-world human upper limits in terms of intelligence."

 

[Antvasima]

The point is, as I stated, that the listed feats seem to at best be slightly above the real world upper human limits (Please bear in mind that even people such as Leonardo DaVinci and Stephen Hawking only qualify as Genius, as do all of the most intelligent real world human beings who have ever existed), but not remotely to such a great degree that we can grant the Extraordinary Genius rating with certainty.

 

[Nonynho]

Very well. Despite disagreeing, I will protest no longer and put the rating there.