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Sekiro Speed Downgrade
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I played that video in slow mo, even went frame by frame in Adobe Premiere and he isn't reacting to it, the lightning comes down literally in one frame and it's just him positioning the blade before it strikes.Sir Ovens said:
y'all need to look at Podonklos's comment again
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And no, lightning can't be calced based off how fast we see it because Sekiro can't even outrun bullets from the gunfort marksmen, he can't even outrun bullets from regular rifles, so what appears to be trackable with our eyes literally doesn't matter because the speeds at which varios objects move are barely apart.
this the same thing as the time somoene tried upgrading Zelda speeds based of Ganon running from light arrow in ALBW or some shit.
My point it is violates Cinematic time
this the same thing as the time somoene tried upgrading Zelda speeds based of Ganon running from light arrow in ALBW or some shit.
My point it is violates Cinematic time
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inb4 game mechanic he can't run faster then bullets.
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There is almost no video game where you can run faster than a projectile. Dodging them is possible but straight outrunning them almost never is because projectiles have to be able to hit you
Unless you want to downgrade the speed of dark souls for not being able to outrun arrows,and bloodborne or prototype for not being able to outrun bullets
Unless you want to downgrade the speed of dark souls for not being able to outrun arrows,and bloodborne or prototype for not being able to outrun bullets
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@Paul
Was actually planning on downgrading dark souls speed in the near future so thanks for the reminder.
While normally I would agree that projectiles are made faster, however Sekiro isn't one of those verses that have much higher consistent speed feats, and I've already debunked all MHS claims, so if you don't want to scale them off bullets what's it gonna be?
Literally the only thing people are arguing rn is how fast lightning appears to us which is by the way already made null due to CT.
Was actually planning on downgrading dark souls speed in the near future so thanks for the reminder.
While normally I would agree that projectiles are made faster, however Sekiro isn't one of those verses that have much higher consistent speed feats, and I've already debunked all MHS claims, so if you don't want to scale them off bullets what's it gonna be?
Literally the only thing people are arguing rn is how fast lightning appears to us which is by the way already made null due to CT.
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1) The scroll pictured is found in Ashina castle, in the dojo, showing its origin as an Ashina clan relic. It describes the ghosts faced by the Ashina clan as using the lightning of the Fountainhead gods, which use CtG lightning as shown by the resident dragon. So that means Ashina samurai were going up against CtG-using spirits, with the likes of Isshin and Genichiro standing head and shoulders above your garden variety elite Ashina samurai, one of whom is fought in the same room as where the scroll is found, and right before Genichiro.
2) The dogs are fought in an area packed with CtG lightning-using Okami warriors, and well past mid-game, when 8-C takes the mic.
3) "Don't even try bringing this guy's balls up, This scan speaks for itself" And why not? Once released from the capsule, it's free-flowing lightning, and with proper timing, the player can react,to just the attack itself, instead of the tell.
In addition, Divine Dragon strikes at comparable (possibly superior, would have to check the calc) speed to the CtG lightning in his boss fight, so MHS Sekiro end-game oughtta stay.
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@sheev
1) They use CtG to infuse their attacks with Lightning, they don't attack with lightning, big difference.
2) The dogs aren't using CtG
3) No it isn't it's a ball covered in Lightning, there's absolutely nothing that suggest otherwise, so far every single lightning feat has been about coating weapons with said element and this one is no different.
No he doesn't, I already explained why the speed of Lightning from our POV isn't applicable, no one is reacting to it, or dodging it or attacking at similar speeds.
1) They use CtG to infuse their attacks with Lightning, they don't attack with lightning, big difference.
2) The dogs aren't using CtG
3) No it isn't it's a ball covered in Lightning, there's absolutely nothing that suggest otherwise, so far every single lightning feat has been about coating weapons with said element and this one is no different.
No he doesn't, I already explained why the speed of Lightning from our POV isn't applicable, no one is reacting to it, or dodging it or attacking at similar speeds.
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1&2) it still buffs their AP to 8-C, which according to our standards puts similarly-damaging free-flowing electrical attacks at lightning speed iirc.Konaguna said:
Sekiro can also last-second dodge CtG lightning, and Divine Dragon is calced at swinging its sword at MHS speed
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Some of their lightning infusion attacks, extend the range of their weapon. Meaning a significant part of the "weapon" is pure lightning.Konaguna said:
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@Melee
You realize the extended weapon still moves at the speed the wielder swings it right?
@sheev
Hold on a second, are you scaling the dogs to Sekiro?
That's literally whack, even Sekiro can't swing his sword at lightning speed so who tf came to that conclusion? Literally no one in the verse has MHS feats
You realize the extended weapon still moves at the speed the wielder swings it right?
@sheev
Hold on a second, are you scaling the dogs to Sekiro?
That's literally whack, even Sekiro can't swing his sword at lightning speed so who tf came to that conclusion? Literally no one in the verse has MHS feats
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The Divine Dragon straight up uses CtG lightning.
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From the clouds yes
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Are you talking about the delayed lightning that lands on top of the trees?
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I was talking about the lightning on the pathway to the cave but that works too
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The lightning on the tree stays there until he interacts with it, it's not good evidence.
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You can dodge it before it gets to the tree to stay there
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Not the final one when he gets gusted up into the air by the dragon.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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The visual trail of the lightning may move at the same speed, but since it's not full constrained by the weapon, it doesn't transfer charge by the weapon making contact, but by instead jumping onto Sekiro directly.Konaguna said:
I'm not scaling the dogs to Sekiro, I'm scaling the dogs to the Okami at Fountainhead that buff their weapons with natural lightning
And I said it was Divine Dragon who had the MHS+ sword swinging feat, it's in the Divine Dragon's calc, but yeah l(eafy)iterally no one in the verse has MHS feats
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I highly doubt Wolf just passively channels lightning like a lightning rode. That would make him impervious to lightning. I don't know who Amano Jyakku is.Konaguna said:
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@Sheev
What are you talking about? the lighting is limited to the speed of the weapon wielder, it says within the line of the weapon and is dependant upon it, this isn't hard to understand.
Why would dogs scale to them? there's no reason they would at all. Buffing weapons with natural lighting is still not MHS+, far from it
@Meleenium
Yes he does, he literally does nothing but attracts it into his blade, that's how it works, that's how it's shown.
Amano Jyyaku calls down lighting with eez and he ain't MHS.
What are you talking about? the lighting is limited to the speed of the weapon wielder, it says within the line of the weapon and is dependant upon it, this isn't hard to understand.
Why would dogs scale to them? there's no reason they would at all. Buffing weapons with natural lighting is still not MHS+, far from it
@Meleenium
Yes he does, he literally does nothing but attracts it into his blade, that's how it works, that's how it's shown.
Amano Jyyaku calls down lighting with eez and he ain't MHS.
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@steven
Yeah those are the ones I was talking about
Yeah those are the ones I was talking about
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Yeah, no. That doesn't make any sense. If his sword can passively channel lightning with no conscious input from himself, then he'd basically be immune to lightning. He has to be doing something decisive on his part in order to not get hurt by it.Konaguna said:
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It's fiction, half the shit in it makes no sense yet it happens. He literally does nothing mid air, he just jumps so that he can freely conduct lightning. Think he is doing something in the air is pure headcanon when he's shown the exact opposite. even then there are literally no feats of him reacting to CTG because all of them are used to imbue weapons.
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Did you look at the three scans of him reacting to cloud to ground lightning
2 of them involved him dodging the lightning before it hit him
2 of them involved him dodging the lightning before it hit him
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Lmao I'm dead. What are you gonna say next? Electricity is yellow so it must also be SOLightnig 
. AP has nothing to do with speed. Not like the dogs actually scale to anyone because they're mobs unlike the soldiers in that area.
Yes they do, the guy above literally proved it lmao, I went into premiere and had a look myself, you want me to show you?
. AP has nothing to do with speed. Not like the dogs actually scale to anyone because they're mobs unlike the soldiers in that area.Yes they do, the guy above literally proved it lmao, I went into premiere and had a look myself, you want me to show you?
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Actually, whether an electricity attack has the same AP as lightning or not is a factor in whether we consider it MHS+.
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I mean you're just choosing one headcanon over another.Konaguna said:
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