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SDBH Goku vs Arceus
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This looks like a stomp on Arceus favor.
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How? I mean Goku has the range to affect Arceus I don't think this is a stomp.
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Goku cant interact with Arceus: acasuality type4
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Arceus's AE Type 1* . Acausality type 4 is nothing special.
But other than that,yes. It's a stomp.
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That doesn't explain anything, acausality type 4 doesn't grant pseudo invulnerability like type 5 does.
Actually, what version of Arceus are we using? Avatar form?
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Avatar form isn't AE1 isn't? Then Goku still has the ability to interact with Arceus right? So maybe this isn't a stomp.
speedster352
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I agree does Goku can win this
speedster352
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Passive 4d powernull and tokis' hax resistance
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Arceus has layers of power null and power null reflection tho. Plus 4D mind hax and Invulnerability from all the plates, which includes physical attacks. Plus passive speed boost and Acausality type 4 to resist Goku's passive Probability manipulation
Seems like a balanced match imo
Seems like a balanced match imo
Vietthai96
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DBH probability manip work on type 4. Goku resist layered 4D mind hax and his Power Null also layered. He also has Durability Negation to bypass Invulnerability
Edit: anyway it is late in my country, i'm going to sleep ^^
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Sniper670
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I haven't seen anyone with Acausality type 4 in Dragon Ball. And even Arceus stomped Giratina who possess type 4
Arceus mind hax works on 4D beings too. Dialga and Palkia
Arceus Invulnerability works on every move/power/ability from the verse. Including soul manipulation, precognition, Time/space manipulation, EE, Death Manipulation, Statistics modification etc...... Arceus also has more layers of power null and power null reflection.
And has a ton of ability ignoring powers, omnipotent, Teravolt, Mold Breaker and passive power null from Eternanus which also nullifies effects. Not to talk about his metal barrier with nullifies effects
Arceus does have Age manipulation and Death manipulation which Goku doesn't resist
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HMMMMMMMMMMM
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ngl, i didnt know about this 2
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This is sdbh
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Arceus has like 12 layers of 4D mindhax
Arceus's Passive null negs everything in Pokemon and DBH and is over 12 layers and has over 3 layers of resistence neg
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Goku cannot kill avatar Arceus due to his immortality based on his true form. You'd need to kill the true form to win against avatar Arceus as it would just come back every time. Overall this is probably inconclusive in the avatar form and a stomp in Arceus' favor in true form.
Vietthai96
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Before i'm going to sleep. Sources???. Your claim is too NLF for my taste
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Arceus wins. No way Goku's getting past his type 9 immortality lmao
Edit: Also I concur with Ottavio that this is a stomp
Edit: Also I concur with Ottavio that this is a stomp
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you know what i honestly think if arceus is this broken we should probably ban him, if that's possible, from fights like that medaka girl.
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Quickly skimmed over Goku's profile. As far as I can tell, he doesn't have any counter to precog, especially not a layered 4D precog, and that alone should give Arceus a massive advantage, knowing exactly what Goku will do, when, how, and why. This combined with multiple layers of resistance negation, power nullification, mind hax, and a ton of assorted passives, all of them with the bottom layer being 4D concept level, and while I don't know anything about DBH or SDBH, I can't see any way for Goku to win any more. This version of Goku is very haxed, ESPECIALLY by Dragon Ball standards, but Arceus is one of the most broken Tier 2 characters period. Also, just as a side, I am... 99% sure Hakai won't work on llama, due to it predating matter, antimatter, space, time, the mind, the soul, ect. It might work on an avatar, but then Goku is stuck with a Type 9 he can't get past.
tl;dr: Stomp
tl;dr: Stomp
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do you ever wish arceus was banned from debates just like aijumu?
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I wish Arceus could have a fair fight for once. Ever since I joined the wiki, all its fights have either been incons or stomps, IIRC.
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but honestly should there be a rule on vsbw that says if a character that isn't 1-A/low-A or above. is too broken or whatever
then they should be banned from being used.
since it's impossible to make match
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I deadass forgot that some Arceus' stuff is conceptual lmao
But yeah, this is a stomp. Honestly should just be closed
But yeah, this is a stomp. Honestly should just be closed
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maybe a ban on arceus threads?
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Not some all
Literally every single one of Arceus's Haxes is both layered and conceptual
anyways Arceus exists and Goku dies
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It happens every now and again. It's always entertaining.
IIRC, Arceus doesn't have anything that isn't conceptual or above.
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OOF. This needs to be closed ASAP
Ehhhh I wouldn't really go that far yet. DBH also has a problem with finding matches since they either stomp or get stomped.
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I mean for 2-B Pokemon god tier matches should honestly be banned literally nothing that can bypass their AE has the range to deal with them and anything that does is a smurf that stomps them
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In the TCG he has 2 abilities, First law, which nullifies any effect that isn't damage, and Metal Barrier, which nullfies everything, including damage. And if you've played Pokémon you can probably guess they have many many moves/powers/abilities. At the very least it covers most of the things Goku can throw at him and much more.
Even in the Arceus Jewel of Life he said it himself, but that movie is full of PIS anyway.
Essentially any ability/move/power that has been used in that falls under a Plate will not work on him. It's more like a hax thing than something that screams NLF but ehh
You can bypass it if you have HDE or CM or others
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speedster352
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The op should use Mechikabura or Demigrah
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Arceus still stomps
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