Scaling Issues concerning Child FR .

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Hello Sky. I see you guys are narrowing in on this "Boundless Multiverse" thing. Quite frankly... It is mainly because I personally feel that higher-dimensions as a concept is a "boundary" to a Multiverse, based on studying higher-dimensions for more than a year here on Vsbattles . A higher-dimension is limited by the dimension above it, and so onand so forth all the way to infonity, but cannot go beyond that , so i consider it a boundary. At least, that is simply my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

I already proved Franklin can re-create the totality of an area that is not limited by time or space. Wouldn't this help with consistency's sake ?

And to my knowledge,being beyond the concept of dimensions isn't the only way to become 1-A. Being above all concepts,beyond all realms of time and space (Unknown Dimension during Protégé's reign ) , not limited by time or space ( apparently M'krann Crystal and Nexus ) outside of infinite-dimensional space-times influence ( Never Queen ) naturally .

Matthew, you don't have to dissect everything. To break my Rory, all you have to do is Zshow me the M'krann Crystal IS limited to time and space, and Never Queen's nature is invalid. That is all. No way am I asking you to do all that work. That wouldn't be right..

 

[Skytheblue]

If a multiverse was dimensionless and beyond time and space, it wouldn't be a multiverse, it would just be a void. They wouldn't call it a multiverse in the first place, no?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Thanks for your reply. That is a very good question. To be quite honest... It varies. The Golden City , a 1-A reality in Umineko, was called a Dimension or Universe. This is just one of thoses occurrences where a 1-A reality is referred to as a Dimension/Universe/Multiverse. I could name some examples from Marvel, if you would like. A notable one would be the M'krann Crystal, referred to as a Multiverse/Universe despite it being ubnbound by time or space. TOAA's realm was referred to as a "Realm" instead of a Void... And the lists goes on and on.

 

[Skytheblue]

This is true.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

We can continue to use Umineko , because they are chalk full of instances. Let's use my favorite visual novel verse: Umineko . Notice that the Meta World, a 1-A construct is referred to a "World" , not "Void" . We could literally apply this to teh Golden Land, City of Books , etc. The Sea of Nothingness is obviously a void.

Anyways.... Off topic. Like i said previously about Franklin's Outerversal Level (W/o mentioning Boundless Multiverse scaling... Becasue it seems everybody accepts Never Queen and M'krann Crystal a lot more than the "Boundless Multiverse" statement) : Franklin is at the very least comparable to Never Queen , via [ keep in mind the next two-three feats, amping Galactus, harming Multi-Abstract Fusion , were with Valeria, who heavily restricts Franklin's powers via being in her presence ] really harming a fusion between Multi-Eternity and Multi-Infinity , andreviving Galactus up with enough power to harm Abraxas, which Multi-Abstract Fusion Infiinty and Eternity wasn't able to do .Never Queen is not bound by space or time in-verse , with Eternity as her equal . Franklin re-created the M'krann Crystal, which is not limited by time or space , and was stated by his dark creation to wield far greater power than the M'krann Crystal , which obviously would give even Child Franklin a very high-degree of 1-A, much less the Multi-Abstracts. Still debating on the Boundless Multiverse statement, which might be 1-A , but i am not as certain as the Multi-Abstracts level entities scaling to Never Queen .

 

[Skytheblue]

Perhaps you should move this thread to the Revision board, since you'll probably get much more input there.

Anyways, your points make sense to me, but then again, i'm not extremely knowledgeable about Marvel.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Unfortunately Ant & Matt advised me not to make a respect thread until they were ready to make the revisions, which may take an unknown time period from now. I appreciate your compliment. This took a lot of work... Especially finding the scan w/ Multi-Eternity being harmed by Child Franklin.

 

[Skytheblue]

That's too bad. I also want this upgrade to happen ASAP.

And no problem.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Yes it's possibly best to wait until the revisions because maybe it can be sorted out much better.


It's kind of a mess at the moment. We have many feats of diverging power and by different storylines and different views on the power hierarchy it could either be 2-A to even High 1-B.

However for the record im really skeptical of 1-A. Especially considering that boundless could easily mean Infinite depending om the context (which would make sense since the Marvel top tiers are High 1-B)

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

If you must know Julian... My views are open for Boundless Multiverse and... can vary from High 1-B to 1-A. Obviously 1-A via scaling to Never Queen and the M'krann Crystal makes sense actually. So... If you are skeptical sorely based on Boundless Multiverse.. My Never Queen and M'krann Crystal scaling are much different and more consistent as time goes on.

There's another important anomaly. I'll post scans of these occurences if neccessary. This will mainly be a ridiculous amount of analysis . Because... this point is the most important to see the scaling accurately . But most of you already know this ( i remember Matthew Schoreder pointing the M'krann Crystal out before.. But not Goblin Force or Post-Retcon Beyonder w/ Rachel ) ... The Phoenix Force, that needs addressing. She easily recreated the M'Krann Crystal, which as you all know by now was not bound by time or space, in other words Outerversal. This wasn't even the Fully Powered Phoenix Force, just a very tiny fraction of it , like most other appearances of the Phoenix Force.

The only times Fully Powered Phoenix Force was active was during the times of Goblin Force , Rachel & Beyonder's Encounter , and Cyclops vs Doom. The Goblin Force effortlessly killed the Fully Powered Phoenix Force, which is unfathomably superior to it's tiny fraction that effortlessly recreated the M'krann Crystal. Yet... It was temporarily stalemated by the Celestials. Rachel had the FP of the Phoenix Force granted to her... By Post-Retcon Beyonder, by giving her near equal power to him in other words ... Half of it. So Half of POST-Retcon Beyonder's post is equal to Fully Powered Phoenix Force, which is >>>>>>>> Small portion of the Phoenix >>>>>> M'krann Crystal.

And Fully Powered Post-Retcon Beyonder is unfathomably superior to the Fully Powered Phoenix Force. Yet, he is regarded as far weaker than Eternity and Living Tribunal. Galactus was dimensionless and Post-Retcon Beyonder's powers oneshotted him sure, but the only reason I am bringing up Galactus is because Beyonder's Outerversal portrayal is extremely consistent during his Post-Retcon days. Yes, Cyclops was owned by Dr.Doom when using the fullest extent of the Phoenix Force's powers . And then the scaling gets a bit easier from there....

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Bump.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Bump.

 

[Skytheblue]

bump

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

This will probably be dealt with later. I think that for now it would be best to drop the subject and bring our arguments when the Time comes.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I understand Julian. I have something akin to an ace in the hole : something about the Never Queen and Eternity that Matthew didn't analyze at all in his respect thread ( He recognized their relationship... But sometrhing that happened as a result of that relationship... An extremely casual showing of power that is 1-A... ) which will boost Multi-Eternity, and Multi-Abstract level characters up a tier ( For High 1-B ) and up 8 tiers ( for 2-A ) . But for now i'll suppose i shall leave it as it is.

 

[Skytheblue]

What is the ace in the hole?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I have quite a few actually... Though ... I am saving it for a later date... Whenever it arrives.

 

[Antvasima]

As far as I remember you have been explicitly forbidden from creating any more of these threads, as they tend to be extremely misrepresented and unreliable, and are very tiresome to deal with.

 

[Antvasima]

You are also breaking several of our discussion rules with your extremely unreasonable enormous exaggerations.

I will now close this thread. Consider this a strong warning to not continue with your previous behaviour.