Concerning Negation: wrong context of their power

[QualifiedDunlin100]

Alot of profiles in this wiki have suddenly gained "Negation" of Regeneration, Acausality and many others, however in the Negation page, it is quite literally said— "It is the power to "Stop an ability from working" but because someone somehow kills a character that should regenerate doesn't blatantly mean such character negated their resurrection without context:
An example of High Godly Regeneration being overpowered is destruction of said universe such character resides in

Negating an ability and overpowering it are fundamentally different mechanisms in combat and power systems.

Even when it comes to high godly Regeneration and, or Resurrection.

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I am a tad bit irritated because profiles like Izayoi got Acausality type 4 Negation because he killed someone with Acausality type 4 resistances.
Surely he might still qualify but I am just trying to understand if they are deeper References other than just killing a character who is type 4, unless its type 5 which I guess would cancel out the fact they are even type 5 in the first place then more evidences are needed.
This is for now a question and answer thread, if this raises concerns amongst staff I shall move it to staff Discussions because lots and lots of profiles get Negation for viably unprecedented reasons
This is now an official content revision thread concerning Negation

 

[QualifiedDunlin100]

Bump

 

[AlexSamDen]

Bump

You can only bump threads once every 12 hours

Also, why did you make this an article?

 

[QualifiedDunlin100]

You can only bump threads once every 12 hours

There is no rule stopping me, i bump to get it to the top of opened threads

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

There is no rule stopping me, i bump to get it to the top of opened threads

Well... you're right. We can technically bump a thread as many times as we want, regardless of when. However, it's generally recommended to do so every 12 hours or so, because repeatedly spamming bumps isn't necessarily going to attract more engagement.

In fact, it often does the opposite. The thread ends up getting clogged with bump posts, making it less appealing for people to read through or interact with.

Also, to be frank, I don't even understand what question you're actually trying to ask. The post feels more focused on making a point and starting a debate than on asking a clear question.

 

[QualifiedDunlin100]

Well... you're right. We can technically bump a thread as many times as we want, regardless of when. However, it's generally recommended to do so every 12 hours or so, because repeatedly spamming bumps isn't necessarily going to attract more engagement.

In fact, it often does the opposite. The thread ends up getting clogged with bump posts, making it less appealing for people to read through or interact with.

Also, to be frank, I don't even understand what question you're actually trying to ask. The post feels more focused on making a point and starting a debate than on asking a clear question.

Yeah that was the point of the post. To make a point.
I didn't want it to be in content thread for several reasons such as the point would look like I am trying to downgrade izayoi or other profiles, its a general concern
And I would love to hear others opinion on it.

Thank you for the advise

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Yeah that was the point of the post. To make a point.

Given the text, you're raising an issue rather than asking a question. As such, this would be more appropriate for a CRT than a Q&A thread. If, in your view, the justification conflicts with the wiki's standards, then that reasoning alone is already a valid starting point for a CRT.

Although if it comfort you, then yes, simply killing a character with Acausality (Type 4) is generally not enough to warrant a negation.

 

[QualifiedDunlin100]

Given the text, you're raising an issue rather than asking a question. As such, this would be more appropriate for a CRT than a Q&A thread. If, in your view, the justification conflicts with the wiki's standards, then that reasoning alone is already a valid starting point for a CRT.

Although if it comfort you, then yes, simply killing a character with Acausality (Type 4) is generally not enough to warrant a negation.

Hmm hmm, how do I move it
Again, lovely input my friend

 

[AlexSamDen]

Hmm hmm, how do I move it
Again, lovely input my friend

You can request for it to be moved in the All-Purpose Request Thread

Although you probably need to edit OP a bit and add corresponding tags

 

[QualifiedDunlin100]

You can request for it to be moved in the All-Purpose Request Thread

Although you probably need to edit OP a bit and add corresponding tags

Okay, done.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

This mostly seems to be an issue with people misunderstanding how Regeneration Negation works, as well as staff not reading proposals carefully enough.

For example, some profiles seem to treat killing an undead character as Immortality Type 7 Negation, which is not the case. Likewise, dealing more damage than someone can regenerate from, or more damage than their Immortality has shown them capable of enduring, is not a form of negation either.

There is not much we can really do about it broadly, but if you come across profiles like that, you can make a CRT for them, or create a group CRT to have them corrected.

 

[QualifiedDunlin100]

This mostly seems to be an issue with people misunderstanding how Regeneration Negation works, as well as staff not reading proposals carefully enough.

I think staffs aren't wholly at fault, which is why I'll take the liberty to revise the issue

For example, some profiles seem to treat killing an undead character as Immortality Type 7 Negation, which is not the case. Likewise, dealing more damage than someone can regenerate from, or more damage than their Immortality has shown them capable of enduring, is not a form of negation either.

Exactly
I saw a profile that got Immortality negation of all types because they could kill a character with all Immortality types.

There is not much we can really do about it broadly, but if you come across profiles like that, you can make a CRT for them, or create a group CRT to have them corrected.

Hmm, sorry I am new here so I don't understand what a group CRT means.
But either ways, your input was appreciated, I'll love to know more on how I can correct this.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Hmm, sorry I am new here so I don't understand what a group CRT means. But either ways, your input was appreciated, I'll love to know more on how I can correct this.

There’s no immediate way for us to deal with this across the board. There are too many profiles, and too few staff members with enough time to review them all.

However, if you or anyone else comes across profiles with these issues, you can create a thread in the Content Revision Forum listing the profile or profiles, along with their issues or mistaken negations.

Staff can then review them and have the relevant parts changed or removed.

 

[Mythic381]

I saw a profile that got Immortality negation of all types because they could kill a character with all Immortality types.

I can negate type 1 immortality!

 

[QualifiedDunlin100]

There’s no immediate way for us to deal with this across the board. There are too many profiles, and too few staff members with enough time to review them all.

However, if you or anyone else comes across profiles with these issues, you can create a thread in the Content Revision Forum listing the profile or profiles, along with their issues or mistaken negations.

Staff can then review them and have the relevant parts changed or removed.

Will do that right now
Maybe this can be closed, I'll tag this thread on the new one where I'll be revising all of them