Scaling AP to Striking Strength 2 (Staff only)

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Btw Artemis's constellation feat isn't "not a super-powerful finishing move", it...isn't a move at all. It's just star-brightening.

Someone reply

 

[Golden_Void]

And say what?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I do not think creating a constellation scales to Striking.

 

[Golden_Void]

Brightening* and yeah, me neither.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Sorry, just a couple of questions

What about creating pocket dimensions?

What about character that only use physical attacks despite being shown to be capable of combat-applicable feats?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Depends

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah just use Kep's wording and put it on the respective page. As for the series proper, analyze each one in turn.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Ok. So check the verses (I think I can do it myself though two or three people will be better), then contact the experts and analyze each.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Percy Jackson is fine.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I disagree, but discuss later. I am going to bed.

 

[Kepekley23]

Any magic they need effort to perform scales above what Artemis did. And Titans like Atlas are able to tank Artemis's arrows with no problem.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It depends how a Constellation is created, if someone punched or threw someone or something, and that thrown/launched object exploded into a constellation due to the force of getting hit hard, then striking strength might be okay. And yeah, pocket reality creations may be iffy. Destroying a pocket reality through raw power or surviving a pocket reality's destruction probably still scales, but simply creating one that's not an illusion is probably just AP unless proven otherwise.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Any magic they need effort to perform scales above what Artemis did. And Titans like Atlas are able to tank Artemis's arrows with no problem.

Sounds like headcanon.

Star-brightening =/= magical attacks. Star-brightening isn't even combat-applicable.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Anyway Dark649 said earlier that he is going to make a blog about affected verses, that would be appreciated.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

I already changed the striking strength page explanation, and am not sure if more is necessary.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Dark649 says he's gonna make a blog.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Dark649]

Done, but its under research.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This blog is widely exaggerated and not remotely aligned with how the discussion went and the conclusion that was taken. Your approach is basically "It never scales, let's revise the entire Wiki!". I'm not sure what gave you that idea?

You are also completely ignoring the concept of case-by-case, and acting like all of these series were just randomly scaled to the feats that they are with no discussion and that they are all wrong.

 

[Dark649]

Calm down, its to discuss not to apply. I just listed the ones that might get revised, it might conclude that just a little gets revised or higher depending on the other admins, which are less rude than you.

 

[The_Everlasting]

"Calm down"

He's not being aggressive in any way though?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

The simple fact is we have a blog with a list of verses that may or may not be affected. We have something to work with and something that we can adjust. That's all that matters as of now.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The problem is that what you propose in the blog is far too drastic, and completely, 180-degrees opposite to what the wiki's standards have been for the last 2 years or so. Basically you are saying that Creation, Reality Warping, Weather, etc. feats can never scale to AP or Durability. Which is just plainly wrong.

 

[Kepekley23]

Can't agree enough.

 

[Kaltias]

What do you mean with "Should not powerscale to other stats"?

The agreement was that those are legit AP feats, you only need evidence before scaling them to Striking Strenght/Durability.

Same thing for super powerful attacks except that you need evidence to say that they scale to general AP too

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah, the conclusion wasn't "Let's change the entire wiki to Sufficient Velocity standards".

 

[Antvasima]

As Dark649 said, it was just a suggestion, not a rule. I am also uncertain about this though.

 

[Kepekley23]

You've been dying to use that diss ever since this discussion started, haven't you?

 

[Kaltias]

? That tone isn't needed

 

[Antvasima]

Let's try to be polite to Dark649. He was only trying to help out.

 

[Kepekley23]

I was talking about Matt's joke.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, I know, but Dark felt offended earlier.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The blog seems alright, pretty sure not everything will be affected but seems well written enough. I agree that we should all remain polite; so just mention other verses that might be effected and/or explain with reasons why the ones listed either won't be or at least the effects are rather limited.

 

[Promestein]

I'm against Dark's blog too, it's way too extreme and we have to go about this, at the very least, more slowly and carefully, rather than make a huge blog with every verse that may need to be revised and then tackle it all at once in some huge ungainly revision.

 

[Antvasima]

@Promestein

Yes, agreed. I just wanted us to still be respectful towards Dark649, as he did not mean any harm.

 

[Promestein]

I realize that. No offense is meant here.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, of course.

 

[ALRF]

I also don't agree with Dark idea (yes i know it's just a suggestion and not something enforced on us) because for the most part, it goes against our standards (there are many other various reasons, but this one is one of the most important ones) and will end up only in messy results

Of course, no offense to Dark, that's just my opinion.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

If I offended Dark, or came across as rude, I apologize. I probably overreacted, I was legitimaly taken aback by what he was proprosing, and wanted to express how heavily I disagree with him.

My opinion still stands, though.