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So i'm coming with the intention of upgrading Orochimaru and Sasuke (And by extension a good chunk of the Narutoverse) with the following scan.
So in this scan Orochimaru has his power over his own universe revoked, and Sasuke takes control of it. He is also percieve Orochimaru moving "Beyond Space-Time". This should be a clear basis of Immeasurable speed at the very least. Orochimaru also stated he was transcending Sasuke to the point of seeing him as "mere fiction". This isn't a hyperbole because as you can see in the bottom right panel, Orochimaru is looking out of the panel and at the reader, implying he's aware that Naruto is a story and he's able to manipulate the metafictional narrative at this scale.
As we all know Kaguya and others have created universes with their own space-time, implying the cosmology is at least 4-D. By extension Orochimaru would be 5-D and thus Low 1-C for this reasoning. It's also reasonable to say he has plot manipulation.
As for Sasuke, he'd have the same abilities and AP listed with his Sharingan, and potentially meta based Reactive Evolution. (Sort of like how Superman has a metafictional existence and can become empowered by the plot itself.) I say this because Sasuke is one of the main characters along Naruto, and he has had showings of overcoming his enemies out of nowhere via the meta narrative. The whole story is shaped around him and Naruto as a result.
I'll wait for any counter arguments to be made.
Agree: Andy, Arcker 123, Ultimate
Disagree:
Neutral:
So in this scan Orochimaru has his power over his own universe revoked, and Sasuke takes control of it. He is also percieve Orochimaru moving "Beyond Space-Time". This should be a clear basis of Immeasurable speed at the very least. Orochimaru also stated he was transcending Sasuke to the point of seeing him as "mere fiction". This isn't a hyperbole because as you can see in the bottom right panel, Orochimaru is looking out of the panel and at the reader, implying he's aware that Naruto is a story and he's able to manipulate the metafictional narrative at this scale.
As we all know Kaguya and others have created universes with their own space-time, implying the cosmology is at least 4-D. By extension Orochimaru would be 5-D and thus Low 1-C for this reasoning. It's also reasonable to say he has plot manipulation.
As for Sasuke, he'd have the same abilities and AP listed with his Sharingan, and potentially meta based Reactive Evolution. (Sort of like how Superman has a metafictional existence and can become empowered by the plot itself.) I say this because Sasuke is one of the main characters along Naruto, and he has had showings of overcoming his enemies out of nowhere via the meta narrative. The whole story is shaped around him and Naruto as a result.
I'll wait for any counter arguments to be made.
Agree: Andy, Arcker 123, Ultimate
Disagree:
Neutral:
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