Sakura Kinomoto Tier and some new feats.

[Kyle_Ramos]

Sakura is in my opinion, a solid 10-B in human form, 3-A or High 3-A with The Create, The Erase and Possiby a 2-C or 2-B with The Time and The Loop, 2-A with The Nothing (Possibly higher with The Hope)

The Create is able to create anything from nowhere, it has no limit on what it can create and how. On the highest possible scale, this could be a High 3-A based on it's scale. The same could be said of The Erase, that functions exactly the same, but backwards. (http://cardcaptorsakura.wikia.com/wiki/The_Create)

The Loop is capable of warping reality--bending the time-space continuum (so to speak) into a continuous, repeating loop. Anything or anyone unfortunate enough to be trapped inside it will be left stranded in an environment that repeats on itself, with no way of getting out. (http://cardcaptorsakura.wikia.com/wiki/The_Loop)


The Timw gives Sakura total control over time, that includes time stops, slowdowns, creating time loops etc. But it is innefective against the Nothing and The Shield. (http://cardcaptorsakura.wikia.com/wiki/The_Time)

The Nothing is ablw to destroy and return everything to nothingness, since this includes all the clow cards. It makes it able to destroy the concept of Time, Power, Time-Space Continums, Power,etc. The Hope is the result of combining The Nothing to the nameless card (Love), making it even stronger, but possibly opposite effects. (http://cardcaptorsakura.wikia.com/wiki/The_Nothing)

The Shield (þø¥) is Sakura's most-used defensive card, able to create a shell, force field or barrier around its target that is impenetrable to almost all physical and magical attacks, including the effects of the other Cards (i.e. Time, Shot). Unlike most of the other cards, Shield has a good personality. (http://cardcaptorsakura.wikia.com/wiki/The_Shield)


Other cards include the Power, who gives the user "incredible" strenght (http://cardcaptorsakura.wikia.com/wiki/The_Power) The Sword has the power of a Star and able to cut thru The Shield (http://cardcaptorsakura.wikia.com/wiki/The_Sword) The Dream can cause the opponent to fall asleep. (http://cardcaptorsakura.wikia.com/wiki/The_Dream) The Change is able to swap the opponent's mind and other aspects for 24 hours. ( http://cardcaptorsakura.wikia.com/wiki/The_Change) The Freeze is able to freeze anyone in absolute zero. (http://cardcaptorsakura.wikia.com/wiki/The_Freeze) The Illution lets Sakura trap someone in an endless maze, possibly just a trick instead of a pocket dimention. The Watery gives her control over all water, Windy over all wind, Earthy over all earth, etc.

In terms of durability, she would be normal human level in all forms without The Shield.


In terms of Speed and movility she can use the Move, The Fly, The Jump and Windy to move around, making her able to fly, jump very high,etc. But she would be nigh Omnipresent or at least MFTL with the Time and Loop cards.

Here is a Complete list of all the clow cards http://cardcaptorsakura.wikia.com/wiki/Clow_Cards

Please considwr that this is all my opinion and i might be wrong.

I think we should use these pictures instead of the one we have.

 

[CuriousWatcher]

I think you misunderstand Tiers 2-C and above. These are for characters who can destroy/create Space-time continuum like the following: 2-C for 1 to 1000, 2-B for 1001 to 1000^5 and 2-A for up to an infinite and High 2-a for 5-D beings. As such, they can only be applied to verse which includes the concept of multiverse. You should check this.

I think Create and Nothing might be Low 2-C/ 2-C according to what you say but you need to show feats of them creating a whole universe or at least it should be implied by a quote.

The Time is just standard Time Manipulation and not quantifiable, as an example, look at Sakuya Izayoi from Touhou. If she can use it to erase the whole time of an universe like King Crimson in JJBA, Low 2-C.

All of this will require feats and quotes from canon material to back them up too.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

Well, those links come from the guidebooks, Anime, manga and some interviews but i guess i can look around the anime for "actual" feats for you.

 

[Imperator100isnotavailable]

Sakura is multiversal to some extent (she was able to counter the magic of Clow Reed who was warping the entire multiverse). She's one of the Magical Girl Holy Trinity of Really Powerful and Really Well-Known Magical Girl Protagonists (Usagi, Sakura, and Madoka)

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

Well, if this is aproved, she would be a match for Madoka and Usagi imo.

 

[Imperator100isnotavailable]

Yeah, she would. I genereally contend Usagi and Sakura>Madoka (although people here seem to think Madoka is way stronger then what I've seen....) and I go back and forth between who I think would win between Usagi and Sakura. Usagi is my favorite though.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

Usagi is pretty much the main Magical Girl.

Easly the most popular.

 

[DarkLK]

Trying to prove high tiers for Sakura has little meaning without using the Tsubasa manga and powerscaling.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

I have my doubts on that.

This is based on the anime and the powers of every card as shown in the anime and guidebooks.

Does the Tsubasa manga help to prove or disprove this?

 

[CuriousWatcher]

Sakura is multiversal to some extent (she was able to counter the magic of Clow Reed who was warping the entire multiverse). She's one of the Magical Girl Holy Trinity of Really Powerful and Really Well-Known Magical Girl Protagonists (Usagi, Sakura, and Madoka)

Wait, there is a Card Captor Sakura Multiverse? My bad, I didn't know. In that case, I think a feat or a good scale (e.g: Clow Reed was giving it all he had got and was at his best) and she gets to Tier 2.

Also, what kind and level of warping was Clow Reed doing? We had a problem which was kinda similar when deciding Shin Budokai Janemba's Tier because warping =/= destroying (might not be too much trouble here though if we go by the logic that each card's level gets to Clow Reed thus Multiversal Clow Reed leads to Multiversal The Create and The Nothing).

 

[DarkLK]

The Tsubasa Manga has multiversal time-space warping feats from mages who are significantly weaker than Clow Reed.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

Well, looks like Sakura is stronger that what i thought.

 

[Imperator100isnotavailable]

Sakura is multiversal to some extent (she was able to counter the magic of Clow Reed who was warping the entire multiverse). She's one of the Magical Girl Holy Trinity of Really Powerful and Really Well-Known Magical Girl Protagonists (Usagi, Sakura, and Madoka)

Wait, there is a Card Captor Sakura Multiverse? My bad, I didn't know. In that case, I think a feat or a good scale (e.g: Clow Reed was giving it all he had got and was at his best) and she gets to Tier 2.
Also, what kind and level of warping was Clow Reed doing? We had a problem which was kinda similar when deciding Shin Budokai Janemba's Tier because warping =/= destroying (might not be too much trouble here though if we go by the logic that each card's level gets to Clow Reed thus Multiversal Clow Reed leads to Multiversal The Create and The Nothing).

It's a been awhile honestly....IIRC he was trying to warp the multiverse to change one of the laws of that multiverse saying you can't bring people back from the dead.....some kind of abstract warping ....again IIRC.

 

[DarkLK]

The destruction of space and time was a side effect of attempts to change the fundamental law.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

Abstract warping.

Concepts.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

So who Is actually in favor of this being accepted for now?

 

[Imperator100isnotavailable]

I am in favor of Multiversal but I can't say to what extent yet till I re-look over Tsubasa.

 

[Tivanenk]

From what I've briefly read, I'm for upgrades, though not sure where exactly in the multiversal spectrum.

 

[Alakabamm]

Well, you gave descriptions and wiki links but no actual feats with her powers

It's best you link those things rather than simply saying "well, her power is x so it must be capable of y!"

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Well, you gave descriptions and wiki links but no actual feats with her powers
It's best you link those things rather than simply saying "well, her power is x so it must be capable of y!"

This.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

Well, looks like i´ll have to scan thru the episodes to back the official wikis.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I know nothing about Card Captor Sakura, but if DarkLK says that weaker characters than Sakura herself are multiversal, that lends considerable credence to the above claims. What tier does the Anime Characters Fight wiki list her at?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

@Antvasima: They have her at 2-A+ but i have no idea what that tier means over there since it may or may not be the same as over here?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that 2-A is 100 universes to infinity there, although 2-A+ sounds like the upper border of the tier.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yup, it is. On the ACF wiki, 2-A is from hundreds (like more than 100 at the least) to infinity. Though based on that and given Sakura is labeled as a 2-A+ there, she's pretty much a 2-A should this pull through. Of course, that's likely due to using her most powerful card(s)...

 

[DarkLK]

This is generally not associated with the cards. it is a personal magic power of Sakura, that is superior to Clow Reed's power.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Oh that makes sense too. Thanks for the clear up, DarkLK.

Edit: Nvrmind, i'll just read through to find out...

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Do you know where she would fit according to our system?

 

[DarkLK]

Probably 2-B to possibly 2-A for manga only version and high 2-A for anime/composite version.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Hmm. Looks like we'll have to either make a divider or just go with the manga version only then.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the information.

 

[Andykhang]

^If she was that strong, then what the hell is those magician that create those card doing on Earth !? Also, though it have potential, aside from the Time-Turing feat, any other feat doesn't doing it in a scale massive enough to warrant those.

 

[DarkLK]

^If she was that strong, then what the hell is those magician that create those card doing on Earth !?

He's trying to get rid of his immense power. Because his power creates problems. His careless desire led to the creation of a being who practically destroyed the multiverse.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

So...aproved?


Or you guys still want the anime feats?

 

[Andykhang]

^Even if you counted the anime feat, the scale isn't big enough. So... (NLF in the work there)

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Yes, this seems to be approved but we still need feats to provide proper reasoning and to link into the profile.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

^Even if you counted the anime feat, the scale isn't big enough. So... (NLF in the work there)

So, i guess i´ll rest it up for now.

 

[Antvasima]

@Kyle Ramos If it is the manga version, we apparently need justifications/explanations that better match those of the ACF wiki, and power-scale from Clow Reed.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

Yes, this seems to be approved but we still need feats to provide proper reasoning and to link into the profile.

Alright, i´ll work on it.

But...it will take a while.

Any help would be really aprreciated.

 

[DarkLK]

There is only one feat in Cardcaptor Sakura that has a value. Sakura divides the power of Clow Reed.

Then you need to read Tsubasa/XXXHolic.