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Who wins and why?
Edit: can Chiaotzu win against saitama without suicidal explosion?
Edit: can Chiaotzu win against saitama without suicidal explosion?
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Any reason why?Great & Lovable Peridot said:Saitama
Chiaotzu goes out with a bang
Suicidal explosion would be his last resort, it would end up in a stalemate (unless this wikia states that suiciding with an explosion is a win for the character)KaenDragneel123 said:Chiaotzu is more skilled
And... Suicidal Explosion?
If is succesfulXenomorphios said:Suicidal explosion would be his last resort, it would end up in a stalemate (unless this wikia states that suiciding with an explosion is a win for the character)
Although Saitama may be stronger than currently in his profile, we can't just say that saitama is suddenly higher because this website only uses feats that were shown. So far Saitama with his current feats will lose to Saiyan Saga Goku (when fighting vegeta) which was already added to his losses. Chiaotzu by the android saga should be way above base Saiyan Saga Goku (possibly near saiyan saga Vegeta). Unless they upgrade Saitama with proof of better feats, he is not going above 5-B.Speedbump from Chinatown said:Saitama. Saitama with only a fraction of his full power deflected a planet-destroying beam with a punch. He was able to take a hit that sent him from Earth to the Moon with absolutely no damage, and landed back down, again, without any. Even if Chiaotzu used his suicide attack, the explosion would do next to nothing, and even before that Saitama can punch him into nothing but a blood spatter.
Appreciated.TheMightyRegulator said:I'll look through his losses record and see if there's anything that needs to be removed.
well.. he pretty much does that. Anyone with speed equal to his and decent abilities is preeeety much the winner.Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:An attempt to prevent wanking for a character who (thankfully) wasn't even wanked very much on this wiki in the first place has become an opportunity to severely downplay him and act as if he literally loses to anyone else in his tier.
With decent abilities and much better speed, yes. Totally.LordAizenSama said:well.. he pretty much does that. Anyone with speed equal to his and decent abilities is preeeety much the winner.
The difference between the lowest bounds of Small Star level and the highest bounds is ~50x. Most people are scaled up because it's what seems most accurate (something I agree with), not because there are better feats. In fact, by feats, Frieza's Dwarf Star+ attack would be the most impressive attack in canon DBZ, and it didn't even come directly from canon DBZ. There are times when logical boosts in power can and need to be made.Aimenaltair said:Well Bumping Frieza to star level is not choice, he was stomping someone who's way above 10 times stronger than his first form, that's why he was bumped tiers above his high 5-A.
We do always lowball it to their best showings for speed. if there is enough of a gap in AP you can get tiered up that way. that does not happen with speedAzathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:@Aizen
We don't always lowball characters to their best feats. See everyone in DBZ after First form Frieza and until Super Perfect Cell.
In fact, this isn't even saying Saitama should jump a tier for being casual, which would be incorrect. It's saying assuming his minimum power is his maximum power is a false assumption, which is part of the reason we even have ratings such as "At least". If we're going to say Saitama can be no faster and no stronger by any degree whatsoever compared to what he's shown, and then go on and add losses to characters due to them being slightly faster or slightly stronger, he shouldn't be put in VS battles at all, at least until we get a better grasp of his higher ends or the webcomic comes to a close.
I was more arguing for AP, so guess I'll ignore that part. The only thing I was saying for speed is being like 1.5x faster than casual Saitama and the same tier doesn't guarantee victory.LordAizenSama said:We do always lowball it to their best showings for speed. if there is enough of a gap in AP you can get tiered up that way. that does not happen with speed
It usually works through a certain amount of characters you go through who are stronger before you eventually decide "yeah, they've gotta be this strong now, theres this many people stronger than him, it's justified". Dragon ball makes it easier with Power levels to go by, aswell.
Saitama does not have that luxury which is unfortunate.
Truthfully speaking, being "At least" Doesn't do too much for AP other than hes likely superior to the other planet level guy, and it does close to nothing for speed.
Also just incase theres a misunderstanding, i'm just pointing out the speed thing , the AP has much more versatility in that regard. Also his profile should have the at least 5-b,for whatever reason it seems to have been neglected.
Even if Saitama is truly "infinite" as the overhyped fans say, I don't think that he will go beyond High 3-ASpeedbump from Chinatown said:Isn't discussing matches involving Saitama is a bit pointless, considering how undefined his full strength is? He's never gone above being casual in any of his fights, and there have been no clues as to what his full power can do. The most to be said is that his power is solely based on physical ability, and I can see some losses coming from that, but, I just think it's a bit hard to talk about a character who is known to be far stronger than what they've shown..